If God spoke again, would you listen?

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Aupmanyav, I have to say that you a breath of fresh air to me. Has been a long, long time since I have listened to a wise physicalist or a consistent Vedantist.
 

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I do not seek any answers as I have found answers to all my questions, none remain unanswered.
Whereas some of my questions here have not really been answered. I thought I saw a question or two from you, but perhaps I was in error. Suit yourself.
 

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That is something you will find in being, not becoming.
I was under the impression that some people in this thread actually hear voices in their heads, which they believe are of a divine source. That is why I asked whether God speaks to people and, if so, what it is that they hear.


Let us see. If he says something intelligent, I will listen. If he embarks again on 'I am your Lord God and you should worship only me and no other' crap, then I will leave forthwith (just like we close an uninteresting youtube video).
What would you consider intelligent?

I wouldn’t presume that God of all universes (the enormity of the physical universe alone being unimaginable) and all dimensions would be so insecure as to command people to worship God. It is people who projected their likeness and characteristics onto God and assumed that God would desire to be worshipped.

I can see and touch my parents, talk to them. Can you do this with any God or Goddess?
You can see God in the innocence of a child’s eyes. You can see God demonstrated in a person’s selfless act for the good of humanity. You can touch God when you’re that person. God has touched you in such moments when your heart swells with love and compassion. God will hear you when you earnestly speak to God. God speaks to you though you’ll not hear God’s voice, and what God speaks to you can manifest in profound intuitions, great insights, inexplicable knowing, wise perception in the present and in the future, and wise understanding of the past.


There are higher dimensions beyond the physical reality. Expand your mind to include them, so that your perception of God will not be limited to a physical god, a human god, a god with human qualities and thoughts, a god of human history, or a god of one people or one world. God is God of all beings, human and non-human. God is God of all universes beyond the physical universe. God is God of all dimensions.
 

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You can see God in the innocence of a child’s eyes. You can see God demonstrated in a person’s selfless act for the good of humanity. You can touch God when you’re that person. God has touched you in such moments when your heart swells with love and compassion. God will hear you when you earnestly speak to God. God speaks to you though you’ll not hear God’s voice, and what God speaks to you can manifest in profound intuitions, great insights, inexplicable knowing, wise perception in the present and in the future, and wise understanding of the past.

There are higher dimensions beyond the physical reality. Expand your mind to include them, so that your perception of God will not be limited to a physical god, a human god, a god with human qualities and thoughts, a god of human history, or a god of one people or one world. God is God of all beings, human and non-human. God is God of all universes beyond the physical universe. God is God of all dimensions.
Sheena, all this is 'Shabda-jala' (net of words). There is nothing else in the eyes if a child except innocence, at time fear or anger or dispair, children are like that (I should know having raised sons and daughters, and helped them to raise their sons and daughters). They are cute and cudly, evolution has made them like that, so that we get attached to them. It is you who is seeing the 'God effect' there. The same can be said of all the things that you have mentioned above, peg it all to your own (kind of) God, a God of all dimensions.

Yes, there are higher dimensions, dark energy and dark matter and the black-holes. How much do you know about these dimensions? But I have found nothing which posits any kind of God or Goddess (if there is a God, why should not there be a Goddess too).
 

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If there are any, you might kindly point them out to me. :)
My first question was: What did you do with your parents: leave them, or follow? While I appreciate your reply, it did not answer my question.
 

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In India, we generally do not leave the parents. They live with us. It is the duty (dharma) of the sons to provide for them and look after their comforts. We may not always follow our parents because times and society change. In their old age, the parents are supposed to follow the children. Now we are the householders.
 

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In India, we generally do not leave the parents. They live with us. It is the duty (dharma) of the sons to provide for them and look after their comforts. We may not always follow our parents because times and society change. In their old age, the parents are supposed to follow the children. Now we are the householders.
In the USA some adults still live with their parents, but may or may not follow them.

I imagine it is similar with God. Perhaps you could ask God to follow you, and see what happens. If you do, review your life in the future, and then ask yourself whether or not God listened and followed you.
 

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Perhaps you could ask God to follow you, and see what happens.

This statement seems cryptic.

Why not state your opinion in the form of a declarative sentence?

While I appreciate you posting, it do not understand your declarations when they are framed as 'Request-Statements'.
 

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This statement seems cryptic.

Why not state your opinion in the form of a declarative sentence?

While I appreciate you posting, it do not understand your declarations when they are framed as 'Request-Statements'.
If you spoke to God, would God listen to you?
 

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If you spoke to God, would God listen to you?

ANCORA!

Why not state your opinion
in the form of a declarative sentence?

While I appreciate you posting,
it do not understand your declarations
when they are framed as
'Request-Statements'.

Do I detect a more wry sense of humor than my own?
 

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I imagine it is similar with God. Perhaps you could ask God to follow you, and see what happens. If you do, review your life in the future, and then ask yourself whether or not God listened and followed you.
As a hindu I respect the the need for the support of an imaginary God among the believers. But hindu wisdom asks me to reject all dualities. So, for me, no God or Goddess.

Actually, I too, am not a householder now, my son is. At this age, our duty is to advise our children. That is known as 'Vanaprastha Ashram', the stage of life when we reduce our entanglement with the world. :D
 

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As a hindu I respect the the need for the support of an imaginary God among the believers. But hindu wisdom asks me to reject all dualities. So, for me, no God or Goddess.
I am not speaking of someone imaginary, though I admit there was a day I would see it that way.

It seems you have revealed the parent that you follow: hindu wisdom. Somehow, I don't think it is hindu wisdom that asks you to reject a God or a Goddess. If so, then hindu wisdom is a hypocrite. Lets rewind the tape: "I am your ... and you should worship only me and no other' crap..." So if it is, "I am your non-dual hindu wisdom and you should worship only me an no other' crap...", should I just put that person and their hindu wisdom on ignore... as you would a youtube video?

Actually, I too, am not a householder now, my son is. At this age, our duty is to advise our children.
I hope you don't tell your children that you have all the answers to your questions. They will discover whether or not you lie.
 

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I believe there is a long and well know tradition of atheism, monology, henology, and other such non-polytheistic beliefs that are accepted as part and parcel of Sanatana Dharma.

That is, Aupmanyav has more than sufficient history and wisdom that supports his position.
 

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I believe there is a long and well know tradition of atheism, monology, henology, and other such non-polytheistic beliefs that are accepted as part and parcel of Sanatana Dharma.

That is, Aupmanyav has more than sufficient history and wisdom that supports his position.
I once spent time with a person who planned to go into business making a higher tech version of a crack pipe / inhaler. He touted that it was healthier for a person. I told him there was not much wisdom or good in his business venture, especially considering that he was a recovering drug addict. His response was essentially, "You can make anything you want good or evil." Typical of the head banger arguments this person puts out. I looked at him and told him that was exceedingly false. So I asked him: Were drugs ultimately good for you? No. Would you consider it good for someone else to come selling you something that was ultimately not good for you? No. Then it is you that says your business venture is not good, per the golden rule. I can't change that.
 

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So if it is, "I am your non-dual hindu wisdom and you should worship only me an no other' crap...", should I just put that person and their hindu wisdom on ignore... as you would a youtube video?
That is what I get after thinking about things, it is my 'mata' (opinion). There are surely many other opinions in hinduism, some are just as monotheistic like christianity or islam. That is why I used the words 'for me' which you may kindly note in my post.
I hope you don't tell your children that you have all the answers to your questions. They will discover whether or not you lie.
Yes, my children may not follow and have not followed all that I had to tell them, even though I may have all the answers (for myself). I can't help that. There are things that they will discover on their own. For one thing, my wife and children are theists. So what? :D
 

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So I asked him: Were drugs ultimately good for you? No. Would you consider it good for someone else to come selling you something that was ultimately not good for you? No. Then it is you that says your business venture is not good, per the golden rule. I can't change that.
All the chocolate that is advertised and eaten, is it good for us? And the Colas? But it is business for someone. USA is not obese for nothing. :)
 

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That is what I get after thinking about things, it is my 'mata' (opinion). There are surely many other opinions in hinduism, some are just as monotheistic like christianity or islam. That is why I used the words 'for me' which you may kindly note in my post.

Yes, my children may not follow and have not followed all that I had to tell them, even though I may have all the answers (for myself). I can't help that. There are things that they will discover on their own. For one thing, my wife and children are theists. So what? :D
In the USA I think they call it retirement, when a person decides it is past their time to practice what they preach.
 

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I hope you don't tell your children that you have all the answers to your questions. They will discover whether or not you lie.

Please Chant Hare Krishna.

As it is written:

"Hollowed be thy name" ---So said the Lord!

Try it please. It will not hurt you. It is the fullfilment of the direct words of Christ.

"Hollowed be thy name" ---So that ye may be like your Father, which is heaven.

There is great great great Mystic and Spiritual and Transcendental meaning in Christ's own words, "Hollowed be thy name" [of the Father God in Heaven] a grand significance that dwarfs all other endeavors and acts ---the sacrifice of Crying like a baby Chanting the NAME OF KRISHNA.

Because Christ's own said, "Hollowed be thy name" ---we Chant the names of Hare, Krishna, Rama--- as the all-in-all Yoga-discipline [especially now due to this present epoch, aka Kali-yuga].

If sanskrit is foreign ---than use your own provincial language as your local tradition addresses the Lord.

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The duty of a parent is:

To be an example of a devotee of the Lord [vs devotee of one's gross sense-gratification]--- and thus exemplify the path to moksha aka spiritual salvation.

The duty of a son is to be a good Putra. The word putra means one who delivers from hell, called put. That is a worthy son.

SB 4.13.32 purport:
The purpose of marrying is to beget a son, because a son is necessary to deliver his father and forefathers from any hellish conditional life in which they may be.

SB 4.21.46
They all declared that the Vedic conclusion that one can conquer the heavenly planets by the action of a putra, or son, was fulfilled, for the most sinful King Vena, who had been killed by the curse of the brahmanas, was now delivered from the darkest region of hellish life by his son, Maharaja Prthu.

PURPORT:
According to the Vedic version, there is a hellish planet called Put, and one who delivers a person from there is called putra. . . .

The purpose of accepting a wife in religious marriage, as sanctioned in the Vedas, is to have a putra, a son qualified to deliver his father from the darkest region of hellish life.

Marriage is not intended for sense gratification but for getting a son fully qualified to deliver his father. . . .

But if a son is raised to become an unqualified demon, how can he deliver his father from hellish life?

It is therefore the duty of a father to become a Vaishnavas and raise his children to become Vaishnavas;

then even if by chance the father falls into a hellish life in his next birth, such a son can deliver him, as Maharaja Prthu delivered his father.

SB 9.18.44
A son who acts by anticipating what
his father wants him to do is first class,

one who acts upon
receiving his father’s order is second class,

and

one who executes his father’s order
irreverently is third class.

But a son who refuses
his father’s order is like his father’s stool


SB 3.13.9
Lord Brahma said: My dear son, O lord of the world [Manu], I am very pleased with you, and I desire all blessings for both you and your wife. You have without reservation surrendered yourself unto me with your heart for my instructions.

PURPORT
The relationship between the father and the son is always sublime.

The father is naturally disposed with good will towards the son, and he is always ready to help the son in his progress in life.

But in spite of the father’s good will, the son is sometimes misguided because of his misuse of personal independence. Every living entity, however small or big he may be, has the choice of independence.

If the son is unreservedly willing to be guided by the father, the father is ten times more eager to instruct and guide him by all means.

The father and son relationship as exhibited here in the dealings of Brahma and Manu is excellent.

Both the father and the son are well qualified, and their example should be followed by all humankind.

Manu, the son, unreservedly asked the father, Brahma, to instruct him, and the father, who was full of Vedic wisdom, was very glad to instruct.

The example of the father of mankind may be rigidly followed by mankind, and that will advance the cause of the relationship of fathers and sons.
 
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