God & god - "Know ye not that ye are gods?"

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  1. bhaktajan

    bhaktajan Active Member

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    "Disorder, misorder, or out of order" ---these would seem to be in reference to mechanisms that are Human-centric ---in contrast to Mother-Nature's mechanisms, like hurricanes tornados that wreck havoc.

    By Chaos [similar to the arch-enemy C.H.A.O.S. of the TV series titled, "GET SMART"] I refer to Human-upon-Human digressions & impositions. A criminal Act causes Chaos in the Victim's Life ---this is what I referred to by the use of the word "Chaos" ---I refer to 1st degree pre-meditated transpassing upon an other's peace.
     
  2. radarmark

    radarmark Quaker-in-the-Making

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    The problem is what I thought it was... really I would limit the term "chaos theory" to the (admittedly fairly new) mathematical theory, so methinks SG's three suggestions are more apopos (see Chaos theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). Koyaanisqatsi (Hopi for "out of balance leading to disorganization") is what I would use for this idea.
     
  3. iBrian

    iBrian Peace, Love and Unity Staff Member

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    And there was me thinking chaos maths revealed the footprint of God. :)
     
  4. bhaktajan

    bhaktajan Active Member

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    Clever one aren't you.

    A "matha" (pronuonced, muttuh) is an "ashram".

    Brian alludes to Sunyavadi Hindu Yogis & Metaphysics from ashrams (or Maths, enbreve) that deny the existence of a theistic God ---ie: Sankaracarya etal.

    But I was not referring to "atma-ha" (killer of the soul) ---I referred to criminals, to crazymakers of epic proportions ---like on the evening News.

    But, back to Brians subtile jibe ---the advaitic school is IMO the only true way to deny God and deny God's footprints and loving heart et al.

    Other means of atheistic logic are armchair philosophers usl with high maintance dues.

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    Brian alludes to higher Math of physics.

    High brow word play there mate!

    "I'm affraid, I do get your banter"
     
  5. TruthSatnaam

    TruthSatnaam TruthSatnaam

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    We are all Nothing- and always have been- we just don't realise this Truth- and therefore live in ignorance(illusion/maya).

    God was the first one to discover what He really is(Yes he's the All pervading frequency of Nothing/Truth)- He lives this divine knowledge(gyan) to this day. Hence He is pure Truth.

    Take the 'we are drops in an ocean' phrase.. We are drops in the ocean of Nothingess. Due to karma/God's will/hukam, we think we're something else(illusion/maya).

    We're not seeking His audience- He IS US and We are Him.
    - He always was. You are me and I am you- we just live/practice the illusion of seperateness- instead of practicing the Truth that we're All made of the same stuff- Nothing.

    Truth is a psychology, it's an awareness. To be aware and in acceptance throughout all the tests and lows we experience in life that we are Nothing- we're Him(the first Truth discoverer)-that All is Him/Truth- is Practising Truth.

    When we see all as Truth(as Him)- we can understand His line of communication and what he's trying to teach us in each moment.


    <digressions on your mark, get set . . . >[/QUOTE]

    God bless you
     
  6. bhaktajan

    bhaktajan Active Member

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    I have worked on you statements and found parallels:

    We are all DESTITUTE POOR - and always have been- we just don't realise this FACT OF LIFE - and therefore live in hedonistic DONKEY MENTALITY (illusion/maya).

    THE CAPTAIN OF THE OCEANS was the first one to discover what He really is(Yes he's the All pervading frequency DESTITUTION/Truth)- THE CAPTAIN OF THE OCEANS lives this divine knowledge(gyan) to this day. Hence THE CAPTAIN OF THE OCEANS is pure LIFE.

    Take the ‘we DESTITUTE POOR are drops in an ocean' phrase.. We are DESTITUTE POOR drops in the ocean of DESTITUTION. Due to OUR OWN ACTS/ THE CAPTAIN OF THE OCEANS will/FACTS OF LIFE, we think we're something else(illusion/maya).
    Quote:
    "We" part and parcel "Nothings" are seeking the audience of the Supreme DESTITUTION. (?)
    We're not seeking THE CAPTAIN OF THE OCEANS’ audience- THE CAPTAIN OF THE OCEANS IS US and We are THE CAPTAIN OF THE OCEANS.
    - THE CAPTAIN OF THE OCEANS always was. You are me and I am THE CAPTAIN OF THE OCEANS - we just live/practice the illusion of seperateness- instead of practicing the Truth that we're All made of the same stuff- DESTITUTION.

    DESTITUTION/Truth is a psychology, it's an awareness. To be aware and in acceptance throughout all the tests and lows we experience in life that we are DESTITUTION- we're THE CAPTAIN OF THE OCEANS (the first Truth discoverer)-that All is THE CAPTAIN OF THE OCEANS/DESTITUTION/Truth - is Practising DESTITUTION-Truth.

    When we see all as Truth(as THE CAPTAIN OF THE OCEANS)- we can understand THE CAPTAIN OF THE OCEANS’ line of communication and what THE CAPTAIN OF THE OCEANS’ trying to teach us in each moment.


    THE CAPTAIN OF THE OCEANS bless you

    WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW


    Nothingness = DESTITUTE POOR
    God = THE CAPTAIN OF THE OCEANS
    ignorance = hedonistic DONKEY MENTALITY
    Karma = OUR OWN ACTS
    Hukam (aka, responsibilites) = FACTS OF LIFE

    <Digressions! On your mark. Get set . . . >
     
  7. bhaktajan

    bhaktajan Active Member

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    Which reminds me:

    And what of Death and worms coming out the corpse?
    And what of the way we carry fecal matter within our bodies while smiling and going about our day?
    And what about the calories we need to keep from whithering and lapsing into a coma?
    And what about "Bad Luck"?
     
  8. TruthSatnaam

    TruthSatnaam TruthSatnaam

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    My friend, you've just taken a Simple explanation and tried to put your own logic into it. It needed no working on.

    We not destitute or poor, for we have the entire creation and beyond in us- it All derives from the Nothingness and to the Nothingness it will go. This is Beyond Logic. To Truly understand this gyan, you must Experience it for yourself- and this is where True Bhagti comes in.

    God speaks the language of Love- it is beyond all worldly language- you can read gyan, but unless you apply it to your life, you will never experience it.

    All the worldly crap you spoke of in your last post is part of the illusion- anything within the 6 senses is. The point is to detach from falsehood by practicing Truth. When we do this, we live at a different frequency(the Truth Frequency- in the acceptance of God's will(acceptance is True Love- what takes us into the doorway of the heart to discover the Truth 1st hand).

    We begin to learn/experience Truth as we deserve it(karma/Hukam). Hukam is not the 'facts of life'. It is the story that God has written for us so that we can discover what He did- (in the fraction of the time that he did.)

    He learns through us all over again- we were born out of Love- out of His will to share His discovery with another.

    Once you begin to actually apply the Truth to your life, you will begin to understand the universe around you. Speak, serve, deliver and die the Truth- die it by accepting God as your keeper and yourself as Nothing- then you'll be able to see the lessons He's teaching you without your own worldly perceptions and desires(ego) getting in the way.

    You can play games and procrastinate from discovering the Truth or you can shut your mind up and actually start to discover it.

    We are All perfectly able to silence the mind by practing Truth- Go into samadhi- relax, let go and listen to anhad naad which symbolises the Silence of Nothingness. You may think the only treasure is maya- but the Real Truth Practitioners know that Truth is the Only Treasure.

    Why do you think so many have been willing to get up and physically Die for it- it is a treasure that is beyond our minds comprehension- you may deem Nothing to be crappy- but it is a frequency of awareness so blissful that people would sit on hotplates, be nailed alive to a cross for...It is True, pure and unconditional Love, not fake bullsh*t conditional love. You cannot put a price on the love of Truth.

    The body's not real... it continues to carry the pain and sh*t from so many lifetimes until we begin to practice Truth- worldly pleasure is not pleasure because even whilst in worldly pleasure, we are still carrying around a huge weight in pain.


    God bless you-(call Him the captain if you want- just don't speak about Him with disrespect).
     
  9. bhaktajan

    bhaktajan Active Member

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    That's nice . . .

    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    You have only bills & invoices from your handlers & benefactors.

    You came with nill and will leave with a burden of zed.

    anyway,

    "Good artists borrow, great artists steal"

    gyan = the act of study and thus understanding the lessons of the texts.
    vi-gyan = is practical application of that knowledge.

    I am a Hare Krishna Mantra Chanter.
    I am a Krishna afficiando.

    You are missing the Boat.
    I am throwing the life-savors from the ship.

    "Silence"

    "Dis-respect" for the wisdom of elders?
    "Dis-respect" for Il Capo?
    "Dis-respect" for the Boss?

    Wisdom gained from faulty senses and fast-talking big-pharma adverts?

    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    . . . and how does that make you feel?
     
  10. TruthSatnaam

    TruthSatnaam TruthSatnaam

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    ^Not sure what you're trying to do here, but a reaction such as yours is usually the product of feeling intimidated. I cannot cater for your feelings of inferiority other than to say- you're part of God, so I have nothing but love for you.

    Now you'll add more sarcasm and confusing commentary to this post.... as expected.


    God bless you
     
  11. bhaktajan

    bhaktajan Active Member

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    Sorry, It is NOT "Sarcasm" ---it is much worse.

    It is satire and commentary.

    You say "sarcasm" ---but that is what you entaintain the family with
    <am I doing it again?>:

    "Funny Videos" on TV show falls, fools, mis-fortune, bad-omens and bruised egos ---that's the fun ones.

    Comedy is 'Other People Sufferring'. {Again,it is much worse: wise-asses do the pranks. And I'm not even referring to politicians yet}

    Oh Poor poor Wily Cayote!

    The even worse is served up on the evening News.

    When the Supreme Personality of Godhead Krishna calls someone an ASS ---maybe he wanted to cheer up Arjuna. Maybe He said it loudly so that everyone else on the side-lines thought Krsihna was talking to them; maybe calling them out. Krishna was not being sarcastic.

    "Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form. They do not know My transcendental nature as the Supreme Lord of all that be."
     
  12. taijasi

    taijasi Gnōthi seauton

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    How can we, while we're busy laughing at other people, or otherwise overlooking the AgnIshvatta within?

    Is Krishna even recognizable as such (in human form) at this stage in our world cycle(s w/in cycle(s w/in cycle(s w/in cy~
     
  13. MARIE NICKERSON

    MARIE NICKERSON PRAYER POET

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    I like this: The deity cannot be apprehended
    through aristotelian logic. And this: A snippet
    a hologram will display the same image as the
    hologram itself. We're like those snippets.
    Suzuki Roshi said, "you are the boss. Do you
    understand?"
     
  14. Thomas

    Thomas Super Moderator Staff Member

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    But can be comprehended ...
    ... and bear in mind that true philosophy had its theurgic component, and the deity could be apprehended through that. 'True religion is true philosophy, and true philosophy is true religion' St Augustine.

    In a general sense, but then in a particular sense, each 'snippet' shapes the whole image according to itself ... each snippet is one with the whole, but it sees the whole from, its place as 'snippet' ...

    God bless,

    Thomas
     
  15. MARIE NICKERSON

    MARIE NICKERSON PRAYER POET

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    Sir thomas, we've gotten off
    to a pretty conceptual start
    here. I'll think i'll stop posting
    conceptual stuff!
     
  16. Thomas

    Thomas Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Dear Marie Nickerson —
    Do you mean I'm too conceptual, or not conceptual enough?

    Please don't let me put you off.

    God bless,

    Thomas
     
  17. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    An understanding of things spiritual does not come thru the intellect and cannot be argued with logic.

    If one were to stick only to the intellect and logic we'd all be agnostic (not a bad thing) or atheists.

    Understanding with our heart, our soul, our experiences that there is G!d is only a short distance away from the understanding we are one with that understanding....one with that G!d.

    Defining this to others without that understanding, without your experiences, and attempting to use the brain instead of the heart, is often a lost cause, often a lesson in futility....but also just as worthwhile as not if only for your own contemplation.

    Most need to touch the wall when they see a 'wet pain' sign....this is no different....you still put up the sign...
     
  18. Ben Hur

    Ben Hur Interfaith Forums

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    What kind of understanding comes from the heart? I thought the function of the heart was only to pump blood to feed the organs throughout the body. IMHO, intellect is the seat of all spiritual understanding. Of course, many understand the wrong way, but because of preconceived notions.

    Ben
     
  19. Thomas

    Thomas Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Are you sure ... if that is so, then you can't say anything about it, can you?

    D'you think so? And yet there is evidence of those who have found God precisely that way. I think you'll find that's your opinion, not a universal fact.

    Ah, sorry, no ... that assertion depends on logic, and you've just ruled that out.

    And 'being one with' is one of those new agey, notoriously slippery notions that don't really stand up to examination by logic or common sense. It's a nice sentiment, but really, it is unbridled sentimentalism.

    Oh, you mean because you're God and they're not, how can they understand who you are? ;)

    God bless

    Thomas
     
  20. Ecumenist

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    Actually, Thomas, most of us understand exactly what wil means ... and agree with him WholeHeartedly, because we connect, we relate and we do with more than the dried-up brains of an old fop tilting at windmills.

    But by all means, when one feels like maintaining that dry, shriveled-up mass ... instead of using the REST of one's body, SPIRITUAL anatomy and God-given, God-created Being [Nous/Pneuma], don't let US stand in the way!

    After all, when you wish to alienate yourself from God and fellow [hu]man, for whatever reason, that is your chosen - if dubious - right. On the other hand, it doesn't make you right, or even suggest you're praiseworthy as an ivory tower intellectual for your stubbornness, your hesitation & mistrust, your fear of a more informed & more enlightened viewpoint & set of experiences than you have yet developed, etc.

    Rather, when you whisper dark things to us [like, "God doesn't live within the human heart, only MY GOD, in MY IMAGINED LOCKED-UP little rooms" [wherever & however you've self-styled your rather dry, hells and heavens of theological & purely-logical vacuousness] ... it's times like this that some of us wonder:

    Thomas, do you REALLY believe that horse-hockey, I mean deep down inside? Is it really possible with all those brain-smarts that *you of all men* could be SO, so hopelessly SIDETRACKED? When will you get over your obsession with cold logic, and REALIZE, even *say* ~ with the REST OF US ~ that God dwells INSIDE of EACH PERSON, as also [the entire] Universe?

    Your human limitations, your cold, logical mind is getting the best of you. You have failed to apply the Imagination in your search for, and understanding of God, Man, Nature, Beauty and it begins to seem more & more like ALL ELSE. How else could a man argue what you argue, insist on such foolishness?

    The issue here is that you just can't fathom how the `Father of All Creation' ever squoze [Himself] down so, so tiny as to fit within the very ATOM [don't let me blow smoke up your ass-hat with reminders that ADAM is a homonym] ... or human HEART. And despite the teachings of a Rene Descartes, who told your COLD REASONing sort four centuries ago just how and where the very Thread of Life, of God and [Heavenly] wife is *attached* in your heart (echoing, as all good Westerners have & should an Eastern doctrine, something which I do wish YOU could [do]) ...

    ... still, our resident doubter tells us, "NOPE! NO GOOD!"

    But you know folks, it's no surprise; we've gotten to know him, and we knew he would!

    No, old chap
    , God's not HERE, or THERE, say in a Flower or a Song; God isn't waiting for the likes of ol' Thomas here to get in the Spirit and join the Sing-a-long. Certainly not, that just wouldn't be fitting, of old crucified Jesus sad-man Who - all the while you're busy lamenting - is actually quite helpless to you, on the sidelines, SITTING: and wondering, waiting, to see how long it will take for you to realize how CLOSE He is, I mean Thomas, for Goodness sake! :rolleyes:

    As the saying goes, even given two good eyes ...
    ~ and in this case, an otherwise-functioning mind...
    Leave it to the Brightest to turn out to be no less ___.

    But,
    even an old blighter needs the company of his peers to remind him, day in & out, Yes, God is ___.
     

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