Can you believe in reincarnation & still be a monotheist?

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  1. Bhaktajan II

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    Ah..haaa.

    "What it was, what it is, what it will be"
     
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    Tommy can you hear us?
    How can we be saved? From the eternal grave.
     
  3. Thomas

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    Well I heard The Who perform what they declared was the last performance of Tommy. I don't know if it was, but I know I had tinitus for the next two days!

    Find your path and follow it. Hope and prayer.
     
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    A famous saying goes: "Until death do you part"

    The idea behind human standards is that we desire to be in the company of 'fortunate, educated, attractive, witty and fun to be with' other people.

    But if some one says "I want to be born as a tree" or a bird or a rich human ---each expresses what work and what pastimes you are expected to conform to.

    We want to be in the company of those that we have become acclimated to. For this is what we in-directly "train for" during life.
     
  5. Namaste Jesus

    Namaste Jesus Praise the Lord and Enjoy the Chai

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    A tree, not so much. Rich man, not really. A bird though...? Depends on the species I guess, but might not be a bad deal...;)
     
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    The periodical table of elements + the Laws of conservation of energy = every element is specific and indivisible and [if tagged like a wild animal in the wilderness] possesses specific characteristics and thus performs ONLY a specific purpose ---and never disappears.

    The elements are "combined"; work together with other elements; are dispersed, and later re-combined.

    But the "Soul" is anti-matter.

    The identity of each molecule of each element is highly defined.

    But some think that the individual personhood is a dream.
     
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    The consideration is: Eating, sleeping, mating & defending accommodations.

    Can it be said that there is a hierarchy of preferred accommodations?

    Demigods don't do as the common folks do.
    A those lacking in social graces are mocked as bestial.

    So an outside point of view can see that there are common denominators among the varied life forms and there are also preferable accommodations that all species would prefer ---if one had the wherefore all to freely choose.
     
  8. Namaste Jesus

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    I didn't give it that much thought. The idea of being able to fly just appeals to me. I often watch this hawk where I live catching thermals with it's wings spread, effortlessly soring higher and higher.
     
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    But for how long? Eating, sleeping mating building and defending accommodations....sounds like a great training ground.
     
  10. Abdullah

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    isn't a fundamental belief of the monotheistic religions the belief in judgement after death then heaven or hell?, so reincarnation obviously contradicts this. we don't come back as a rabbit as a punishment , we get beats in grave and then hell!
     
  11. Bhaktajan II

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    I know all about this topic of "reincarnation" [more precisely, "the soul takes other births"].

    I have seen a problem when discussing this with folks that counter my citations.

    Abdullah, what research on the subject have you?

    Which authority [note the word 'author'] shall you quote?

    To know a subject is to be informed of that subject. Otherwise we are un-informed.
     
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    So the "We" lives on nonetheless.

    The creation is a temporal place. The individual passes through it.

    Godhead [Allah] is a Person. We sojourn in the creation ---we should best seek the supreme person and re-join in His serve with all our being. But that requires practice.

    If we sought to meet a long gone person we would know many many things about how to identify (with) them before meeting them face to face.
     
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    A person? A physical human being? Your citation for that?
     
  14. Abdullah

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    well said brother, however reading up on reincarnation does not apply when the CREATOR Author Himself has overwhelmingly established the Truth for us about what happens after death.

    some stories of reincarnation provided by people/children who remember things of a 'previous life' can easily be explained by the jinn; a devil Jinn is appointed to each and every one of us throughout our lives whispering bad thoughts in us trying to make us go or keep us astray, these jinns know every detail of our lives; obviously it's one of those that whispers these details in another person creating these seemingly flashback images of another's life
     
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    Always handy to have a devil to blame.
     
  16. Bhaktajan II

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    Your citation for that?
     
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    a] Wait a moment, let me ask a rhetorical question:
    Do most theists think that God is a Supreme Physics Equation? Or God is the Supreme Cloud? Or Brick? God is the Supreme Notion?

    b]
    God by definition is the Supreme Original First Person.

    A person?
    Yes our person is made in the image of God's Person.

    A physical human being?
    Not God is the creator of the Physical creation. God is transcendental to His creation of the temporal material cosmos.
    Every thing in the temporal material cosmos is physical.

    God's pastimes, abode etc are Real. Whereas Our physical existence is temporal and is here in the material cosmos.

    Your citation for that
    The title of the book Bhagavad-gita means Song of Bhagavan. The citation requested I presume requires a definition of the word "bhagavan".

    Svayam Bhagavān (Sanskrit: svayam bhagavān, lit."The Lord Himself") is a Sanskrit theological term for the concept of absolute representation of God as Bhagavan. He is the one eternal Supreme Being.

    In Hinduism, the word, Bhagavān, indicates the Supreme Being or Absolute Truth conceived as a Personal God.

    The word bhagavan is explained as:
    one who is full in six opulences, who has full strength, full fame, wealth, knowledge, beauty and renunciation, is Bhagavan, or the Supreme Personality of Godhead

    There are many persons who are very rich, very powerful, very beautiful, very famous, very learned, and very much detached, but no one can claim that he possesses all riches, all strength, etc., entirely. Only the Godhead can claim this because He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. By definition, No living entity nor demigod can make such a claim.
     
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    So, no citation huh?

    Let me ask a ton of rhetorical questions to avoid your implication that I should backup my statement.

    Rhetorical meaning... I am making a statement in the form of a question to which I don't want you to.respond.
     
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    I am prepared to give a citation.

    But now I am not sure "In-regards to what topic" I should cite.

    Which topic should I cite?

    [I thought the issue was to understand how is God a Person ---so I showed that the Sanskrit term "Bhagavan" aka Godhead defines God as HE THAT possesses all Persona--- that the majesty of Persona is to possess all personal opulences in full, and/or, how majesty of God is to possess all personal opulences]

    To be a lover of God is to love a person. God is not a rock or stone or a gaseous cloud.

    Which topic should I cite?
     
  20. Bhaktajan II

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    I confused you ... so I edited my post by separating my two replies: Comment a] along with Comment b].

    {I get the feeling you didn't read my whole posting}
     

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