Past, Present, Beyond?

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  1. KnowSelf

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    From Within
     
  2. KnowSelf

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    Everywhere is freaks and hairies
    Dykes and fairies, tell me where is sanity
    Tax the rich, feed the poor
    'Til there are no rich no more?

    I'd love to change the world
    But I don't know what to do
    So I'll leave it up to you

    Population keeps on breeding
    Nation bleeding, still more feeding economy
    Life is funny, skies are sunny
    Bees make honey, who needs money, Monopoly

    I'd love to change the world
    But I don't know what to do
    So I'll leave it up to you

    World pollution, there's no solution
    Institution, electrocution
    Just black and white, rich or poor
    Them and us, stop the war

    I'd love to change the world
    But I don't know what to do
    So I'll leave it up to you
     
  3. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    Exactly, mass change happens incrementally.

    Let there be peace in the world, and let it begin with me.
     
  4. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic)

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    Tricky business, manipulating the masses.

    Gain control of media, is a favorite first step.
     
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    No .. TRUST IN G-D!
    It might appear that one is being ignored,
    ..but who cares?

    Politicians might "write a script" that appeals to voters, but spiritual truth lasts forever.
    Truth is the only thing that can really "save" .. not Jesus .. not Muhammad .. not Jeremy Corbyn :D

    We don't just need respect for the Creator, we also need respect for the creation!
     
  6. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Perhaps the purpose of being in this world is to realise we can't change it. Civilizations come and go. Human nature doesn’t change. Most scriptures teach that what we're looking for can't be found in this world.

    It's the reason I mistrust religions that promise a future perfect world.
     
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  7. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic)

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    If "perfect" means nobody has to deal with anything they'd rather not deal with, then I'm with you.

    We ignore the dark aspects of our existence at our own peril.
     
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    There is a reason for the Dark Ages, something we may or may not understand. At any rate I am comforted knowing or not knowing because of faith. I don't need to know everything. My philosophy is know on a need to know basis. If I am to know I will know or otherwise, time for every season etc..
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    10 thousand or more years ago they were cutting and moving and lifting blocks of stone that we cannot move today. We could not build the great pyramid with all our modern technology -- to millimeter tolerances. Who did it? How?

    What makes our early 21st Century civilisation so special?
     
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    Aren't thy pyramids no longer a mystery?
     
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    Just great big govt social projects to keep the masses working
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    ?

    Blocks of stone our modern equipment could not lift or move, transported great distances and then precisely assembled without cement on tops of mountains, blocks fitted so closely a piece of paper can't slip between them.





    There are lots of videos. Lots of these sorts of mysteries.
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    People enjoy mystery...



    When you goto the Mayan pyramids they point out where the stones are so tight you can't get paper in there...but not the places you can stick your finger in...this is all grassy knoll stuff..



    Google search for solutions not mysteries...for debunking, not conspiracies...one is a rabbit hole.
     
  15. KnowSelf

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    It makes this time special because we are having this conversation. If it were the 13th and we were having this conversation then obviously that particular date and time would also be special. It is not the time arm place its the conversation that makes it special
     
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    "What is possible for the individual is impossible for the masses"

    Gurdjieff
     
  17. KnowSelf

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    Well of course, forget like minds
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    We will be buried and when some future civilization digs us up, we will be known as the plastic age. None of our buildings will remain. But the pyramids will still be there.

    Our history will be lost because we will leave no writing. Google has stolen that. All the information is stored digitally on hard drives. Future archaelogists will speculate on what they are.

    Our bridges will rust and fall. Our roads will be overgrown with weeds grown up through the tarmac. The forests will revive and overgrow the ruins of our once great cities.

    One day another civilisation will arise and build again.

    The pyramids will still be there.

    It's one theory. Probably a good one. But will other experts to disagree with him?
    This article about the internal ramp theory is dated 2007
    https://archive.archaeology.org/0705/etc/pyramid.html

    The video below is dated 2016. No mention of the ramp inside theory:



    And this guy thinks they floated the blocks around:



    So who really knows?


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    Please don't make too much of the reference to the Great Flood on this next one. It is just speculation as to why it was once immersed in over six feet of seawater and has nothing else to do with the information in the video:

     
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    As someone who spends a lot of time teaching kids about history via sources and records from the past, I give a great deal of discussion to this. Students don't see the problem with everything being stored digitally, so once a year I take all the old media files I can find (data tape reel, 8", 4.25", 3.5" floppies, CDs, DVDs, VHS, Betamax, Laserdisc, etc.) and explain to them that these were all wonderful creations, but anything stored on them is rather difficult to access these days, some more than others. The looks on their faces are both priceless and horrifying, and it leads us to have good discussions about what sources future generations will have to learn about how we all lived.

    While older, my students are basically like this. And a great, IMO, book about what future archaeology could look like, from a fumbling for details perspective, is Motel of the Mysteries by David Macauly.
     
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