Any anti vax/mask/virus hoaxers here?

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NHS doctor tells health secrerary he won't get jabbed

 
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Javid is a politician trying to use his temporary position as health secretary (he's been there less than 6 months) to make the right photo ops and soundbites and keep a job in parliament.
 

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Omicron is wreaking havoc here, breaking all previous hospitalization and infection numbers, thankfully deaths are way down.

And while some mask wearing and precautions are increased, the entire country seems jaded and some of the worst areas are still in denial.
 

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So in England the solution to pressure on the hospitals is to (permanently) fire unvaccinated doctors and nurses, to stop them infecting vaccinated people, with a variant whose symptoms in the vast najority are those of a common cold -- if any -- in spite of the booster's transmission prevention wears off after only one month. Smart move ...
 
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The fact that a person hospitalized with respiratory symptoms tests positive for Omi does not mean they are hospitaized by omi. 300 people died every day in the UK in winter of flu long before covid or omi came around.

Omi is a mild but infectious variant, affecting a large percentage of the population in a short period of time. They will be hospitalizations. But in general it is not a dangerous variant.

Most of us will get it, and then hopefully develop a natural immunity, which can't be acquired by vaccination.
 

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So in England the solution to pressure on the hospitals is to (permanently) fire unvaccinated doctors and nurses, to stop them infecting vaccinated people, with a variant whose symptoms in the vast najority are those of a common cold -- if any -- in spite of the booster's preventing transmission wears off after only one month. Smart move ...
That is a cynical way of looking at things.
Politicians take the advice of scientists and experts.
They don't always get it right. Nobody does.

There has always been a requirement for innoculations when we travel, and why shouldn't a govt. decide to minimise the transmission through hospitals by requiring jabs for front-line staff?
It doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

If people have reasons for not being innoculated, then they can present them.
I don't think that claiming "it is not proved safe" is a valid excuse when the majority of people have already been voluntarily vaccinated.
Life is full of risks. Clearly, if none of us had been vaccinated, we would not be in the position we are today.

People are so quick to join "the blame game".
Most of these people have no ability to run their own lives, let alone a country ;)
 

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They are on the front line everyday and fully appreciate the subtleties of good medical practice Vs political photo opping, imo ...

The booster only prevents transmission for a month
 

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There's a world of difference between asking people to get boosted -- which very many do -- and depriving experienced and responsible NHS workers of their livelihood, and the nation of their services, at a time of crisis for the NHS.

My agenda is fairness and not depriving anyone of their livelihood on account of they don't want to take the vaccine -- for whatever reason -- but especially not well informed and responsible medical practicioners of long experience.

Jeremy Hunt forced low pay ceilings and poor working hours and conditions on exhausted NHS doctors, causing many to resign or emigrate. Now Javid firing them and using them for photo ops. It's despicable. Why won't the effing politicians leave these valuable and dedicated NHS doctors alone to get on with it?
 
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The move to fire them does not come from the NHS.
 

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Knowing ER docs and nurses gives one a different perspective ....the vaxxes are all we got right now...

Covid second time around for unvaxxed can be nasty
 

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My agenda is fairness and not depriving anyone of their livelihood on account of they don't want to take the vaccine -- for whatever reason -- but especially not well informed and responsible medical practicioners of long experience.
I doubt very much that many of those working in the health service will be affected by this in the long run.
The vast majority want to see the public vaccinated, as it puts less pressure on the NHS as a whole.

Those who have a valid reason for wanting to remain unvaccinated can get one of their colleagues to give them a medical exemption. :)
There are several valid reasons for a medical exemption.
It will only be a few campaigners who sacrifice their jobs.
If the NHS promotes not being vaccinated, it looks rather daft, don't you think? o_O
 

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It will only be a few campaigners who sacrifice their jobs.
If the NHS promotes not being vaccinated, it looks rather daft, don't you think?
It's daft to force experienced and dedicated NHS doctors to have a booster they know is going to be ineffective after 30 days, in order to make a show. These are the people dealing with the NHS problems every day of their lives. They are mature, intelligent individuals capable of making their own medical decisions about whether or not to get the vaxx/booster. It's disgraceful to take away the livelihood of anyone who refuses to vaxx -- let alone that of the doctors there in the hospitals, working ridiculous hours under ridiculous pressures -- just to make a show.

Things are changing with the vaccine all the time: now it works, now it doesn't. NHS doctors are entitled to decide for themselves, rather than being pushed around by career politicians. It's disgraceful and you know it.
 

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It aint for show! It is to keep health practioners from becoming hospital patients.

The vax keeps most who get the bug from needing a hospital bed, ventilator or coffin.
 

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It aint for show! It is to keep health practioners from becoming hospital patients.

The vax keeps most who get the bug from needing a hospital bed, ventilator or coffin.
Catchy sloganeering. You could make it into a song. Did you watch the video clip? Did you listen to the doctor's reasons?
 
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He's talking about the booster, not the double-vaxx. It only lasts a month against transmission; Omi infection leads to proper immunity. Everyone is going to get it anyway. The vast majority will have very mild symptoms, if any.

Because it is infecting so many people so fast -- around 65 million people within about one month in the UK -- there will be some hospitalization and some death. Then the graph will rapidly fall off. There's too much knee-jerk hysteria and flag waving.

New information keeps coming out.

It's wrong to force unemployment on anyone under 50 for not boosting that lasts only 30 days -- let alone on doctors. It's a witch-hunt and a scandal that it should happen when the health services are under critical strain
 
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There's too much knee-jerk hysteria and flag waving..
Don't you think that you are the one being hysterical here? ;)
Let's wait and see shall we, whetehr a mass exodus from the NHS occurs.
I understand that over 90% of NHS staff are already vaccinated, in any case.

If it was me [facing job loss] I wouldn't want to cause a fuss.
Doctors aren't stupid.
At least, I hope they are not. ;)
 

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Omi infection leads to proper immunity. Everyone is going to get it anyway
I have seen zero data supporting those claims...lots of conjecture tho.

NYE party I did not go to...one came infected (evidently) 2 tested positive...out of 30 people in close quarters unmasked for 5 hours. I did not risk it...with current data I will continue to get boosted and avoid such events until we are on the downward.slide again...
 
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