Tony Bristow-Stagg
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Not claim to be annointed?
There has been much detail printed as to how God inspires the Messengers.
When we understand this, man can know why they are not sources of the Holy Spirit.
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Not claim to be annointed?
I haven't read it yet. Perhaps later. Lots of words, few straight answers to plain questions, imoThere has been much detail printed as to how God inspires the Messengers.
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Is this not a try at reducing Jesus to what you would like him to be? It's the Muslim take on Jesus. To Christians, Jesus is far more?When we understand this, man can know why they are not sources of the Holy Spirit.
What on earth does this actually say?
it's not exactly the Sermon on the Mount or the parable of the prodigal son though, is it? One gospel paragraph seems to express ten pages of this stuff?Attaining spiritual insight has a long tradition of erotic metaphor. It's a bit like having sex for the first time, there is a sense of initiation, of irreversible change, of becoming mature, "putting behind childish things"... This passage implies that there are many more such moments down the line. A repeating cycle of mystical fruitions, maybe?
At least, that is what I get from it. But Baha'is tend to be politely distanced when I want to talk about the mystical vibe of their scriptures.
Do you enjoy Sufi poetry, @RJM? There are plenty of parallels in style and symbolism with the Baha'i corpus.
it's not exactly the Sermon on the Mount or the parable of the prodigal son though, is it? One gospel paragraph seems to express ten pages of this stuff?
The Godhead is everything -- it is a fish, it is a neutron star -- the Godhead contains all. But the Christ is the bridge between the Godhead and Man. He is Emmanuel -- God With Us. Ok, Baha'i believe Baha'u'llah is the return of the Christ, who was crucified and resurrected in Jesus, and who asked the Father to send the Holy Spirit after he was ascended. It's a big ask. Surely Baha'i should understand the scepticism?
What on earth does this actually say?
https://bahai9.com/wiki/Maid_of_Heaven
(The húrís as a symbol of undiscovered inner meanings)
"We have digressed from the purpose of Our argument, although whatsoever is mentioned serveth only to confirm Our purpose. By God! however great Our desire to be brief, yet We feel We cannot restrain Our pen. Notwithstanding all that We have mentioned, how innumerable are the pearls which have remained unpierced in the shell of Our heart! How many the húrís of inner meaning that are as yet concealed within the chambers of divine wisdom! None hath yet approached them; — húrís, "whom no man nor spirit hath touched before."1 [Qur'án 55:56] Notwithstanding all that hath been said, it seemeth as if not one letter of Our purpose hath been uttered, nor a single sign divulged concerning Our object. When will a faithful seeker be found who will don the garb of pilgrimage, attain the Ka'bih of the heart's desire,
But.......Yes indeed I do.
So Jesus the only begotten Son of God is not the only way? Can we put our faith in other "messengers" and still have Salvation?So the answer to your other interpretation of the bible saying Jesus is the only way to God is not supported by what Jesus said in that passage, nor by what Peter said.
So Jesus is not the Lam, dying on the cross in the flesh shedding His blood for our sins was not necessary?The way to God is Christ. Christ means "Annointed One". Jesus was Annointed of the Holy Spirit to give humanity a Message of Love, Peace and Unity. Jesus offered that flesh amounts to nothing and it is the Spirit that is the Light and Life.
Why are you separating Jesus and Christ? the return of Jesus is the return of Jesus the Son of God and He is the Christ as well. The Bible tells us that Jesus is God , not just a messenger.So the return of Jesus, is the return of "Christ", it is God "Annointing" a Messenger.
But.......
So Jesus the only begotten Son of God is not the only way? Can we put our faith in other "messengers" and still have Salvation?
So Jesus is not the Lam, dying on the cross in the flesh shedding His blood for our sins was not necessary?
Can you tell which other messengers did what Jesus did for us?
Why are you separating Jesus and Christ? the return of Jesus is the return of Jesus the Son of God and He is the Christ as well. The Bible tells us that Jesus is God , not just a messenger.
Jesus did say this very clearly... John 14:6 "Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." The Bible does not suggest that we can go to the Father through any other anointed messenger.... would you consider this text also not inline with what Peter said? Who should we believe, Jesus or Peter? imo both.
Tx, Tony
Yes, only one Lamb. The Lamb of God.I will ask you a question. Is there only one Lamb?
Well, Bab was killed for propagating a new theology.Are of aware what happened to the Bab?
Well, Bab was killed for propagating a new theology
Yes, only one Lamb. The Lamb of God.
John 1:29 ESV / 16 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
Many have died for their words and beliefsAs was Jesus. The Bab was another Lamb as all the events that happened to Jesus also happened to the Bab, yet the Bab mission lasted twice as long as Jesus.
Regards Tony
Most people aren't ready for the truth?That is saying there are very few people available to understand the Majestic Truth found in the Word of God. That much remains unknown, as our capacity to understand is not yet sufficient.
Could have fooled mehttps://bahai9.com/wiki/Maid_of_Heaven
... however great Our desire to be brief, yet We feel We cannot restrain Our pen ...
It doesn't touch my heart and soul. It doesn't reach me in the way the parables and sacrifice of Jesus do. It's not for me. It's like some sort of manifesto. It really doesn't reach me at all.