I have no idea who you are talking about, lol!
Care to fill me in #9?
Hi Cage,Joseph, I understand what you're saying here as this is how I lean, but what about The book of Revelations? Take nothing from it?
Btw, it's good to be back, and thanks to both you and Dondi for greeting me again...
I think you make a good point. After all, the message Jesus had is 'good news' not bad. And let me clarify that by saying good news for believers. It is always wise to wait on God for anything such as those things in that book. Besides, you already have all you need to allow God to transform you into the image of Christ.
Hi Cage,I found that statement a bit broad, Joseph...Believers in what? There are so many varying beliefs, what do you think 'true' believing entails, or does one only need to belive the Spirit in which Jesus came?
Just asking for clarification...
Conditions accompanying his presence. The book of Revelation presents in symbolic expression much information relating to Christ’s presence and his manifestation and revelation. The symbolic picture of the crowned rider on the white horse depicted in Revelation 6:1, 2 corresponds to that of the rider of Revelation 19:11-16, who is the "King of kings and Lord of lords," Christ Jesus. Revelation chapter 6 shows that when Christ rides forth as conquering King he does not immediately bring about removal of wickedness from the earth, but rather, his ride is accompanied by war that takes "peace away from the earth," as well as by food scarcity and deadly plague. (Re 6:3-8) This, in turn, parallels features found in Christ’s prophecy at Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21. It therefore appears that Jesus’ prophecy found in the Gospel accounts, which clearly involves the destruction of Jerusalem and its temple (occurring in 70 C.E.), also has an application to the time of Christ’s presence, thereby supplying a "sign" that allows for determining when that presence is taking place and when "deliverance is getting near."—Mt 24:3, 32, 33; Lu 21:28-31we are now going through the presence or parousia of christ in kingdom power . bible prophecy and chronology are now well along and Jesus is now a reigning king and the ride goes on. if people are waiting for Jesus to come back to earth in the flesh they will miss Jesus, because his presence in kingdom power has been with us since he was made king of Gods heavenly kingdom goverment . and according to bible prophecy and chronology Jesus has been in kingdom power since 1914. yes its all happening in these the last days. but many take no note , just like in noahs day ,so it is the same to day ,...............mee, why do you think he will come in Spirit? I'm likely to agree, but there is much to suggest otherwise in the Bible if I'm not mis understanding it.
Although, Revelations is too heavy a book for me at the moment, and I don't read it. My only insight comes from others who believe in an apocolyptic return, and from those who don't.
I personally think he comes in Spirit and not as actual lightning from the east, or upon a literal horse while wearing a crown. But this where I get confused, how are we to breakdown the anologies, and abstract vagueness of some scripture?
His return is clouded in mystery...
yes i agree that it is a discerning with the minds eye,just as we say ....................(oh yes now i understand what it is all about.) and the presence (parousia) of christ is invisible. but i think that John did see Jesus , and he discerned and recognized him as the lamb of GodGreetings Cage and welcome back,
Good job Mee,
And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.  And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;  Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
The word used for gazing was emblepo which is more a discerning than seeing. It is the same greek word used in John 1:36
And looking (emblepo) upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!
You see John didn't see the lamb of God with his natural eyes, he discerned with his spiritual eyes. No one else saw a lamb of God except John. The same in Acts chapter 1 above.
Think about it. The angels said why do you stand gazing up into heaven this same Jesus shall come in like manner. There was no need for them to stand there gazing. They could see him come in like manner anywhere anytime they got back into the spirit. His second coming is not physical. Jesus the man said he finished the work that he was given. Christ the spirit man is the hope of our glory. This is his mystery that is still hid from some...
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
That is your hope in his coming... that Christ be formed in you.
Love in Christ,
yes i agree that it is a discerning with the minds eye,just as we say ....................(oh yes now i understand what it is all about.) and the presence (parousia) of christ is invisible. but i think that John did see Jesus , and he discerned and recognized him as the lamb of God
Again the next day John was standing with two of his disciples, 36 and as he looked at Jesus walking he said: "See, the Lamb of God!" 37 And the two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus. 38 Then Jesus turned and, getting a view of them following, he said to them: "What are YOU looking for?" They said to him: "Rabbi, (which means, when translated, Teacher,) where are you staying?" 39 He said to them: "Come, and YOU will see." Accordingly they went and saw where he was staying, and they stayed with him that day; it was about the tenth hour.
seeing with the minds eye means understanding something, and when the wicked are cutt-off from everlasting life in a paradise earth , they will understand why Jesus is cutting them off .Yes Mee, He did see Jesus with his eyes but he did not see the 'lamb of God' with his physical eyes. As you say he discerned that. That is my point and it is that same discernment that sees Christ and his coming or presence in us.
Love in Christ,
Mee said:helping christs brothers leads to everlasting life. so i am hoping to be a sheep and not a goat. goats are known to be rebellious , but sheep follow Jesus and the channel that Jesus is useing matthew 24;45-47
LOL as long as i am not a rebellious goat , the sheep who listen to Jesus are following the channel that Jesus is using matthew 24;45-47 and if i eat up the good spiritual food that christs brothers are dishing out it will help me to keep on the right track and not get led along by rebellious goats who do it there own way. and yes as you say ,my roar is hopefully very loud and it is louder still when it is being done all over the world by a great crowd ,Mee,
You are definitely not a goat! But then neither do you appear as a sheep to me. More of a relentless roaring Lion, I would think. Hope you have a sense of humor.
Love in Christ,
this heavenly kingdom that will bring peace to the earth has been set up by God himself Daniel 2;44............. and Jesus is now a reigning king of this heavenly kingdom goverment .Daniel 7;13-14 it is all happening in this time of the end . how we respond to this kingdom and those who aremee, who will set up his kingdom on earth, then? It is obvious we are seperated, but will the goats, those who rebell against the Spirit of Christ, be elliminated, or will they too come into the knowledge and understanding of God's will? I thought I read somewhere that Jesus was not willing for any to perish...does this mean all will come to him in the end?
I agree with many of your views, mee. I think earth is a paradise to come, and already is to a degree. I also view Jesus as being with us already in the now. I look for no signs, but people all over the world are making great strides in Spirit, while others resist with all thier might it seems.
I always go back to the Lords prayer:
"Thy kingdom come
thy will be done
as it is in heaven"
My favorite part of that prayer by far...
Armageddon, or "Harmageddon" literally means "mountain of Megiddo." "More battles, have been fought on the plain of Megiddo than on any other in the world." Here Barak overcame the Canaanites (Judges 4:15). Here Gideon defeated the Midianites (Judges 7). Here Saul was defeated by the Philistines. Here Ahaziah died, and here Pharaoh-Necho overthrew Josiah. Thus Megiddo had become fixed in the Hebrew mind as a place of deadly combat. It therefore fitly symbolizes the worldwide conflict between evil and righteousness.
To predict the coming of the Lord, would amount to trying to be a fortune teller. In fact the Lord says do not worry about it. ...
The last time Jesus came, the Romans did not believe in Him. Much of America does. Rome wanted its "charge" to obey Ceasar. Do you really think the US wants the Middle East to "Obey" Bush?
Rome was a government of conquest for most of its existence. The United States has been a government of isolationists for most of its existence...
A thousand years ago, the Native Americans spoke of the weather going crazy then. There were no "white men", read that as Indo-European people, living in the United States (as far as we know for certain). Well maybe, if you think that Vikings touched down here circa 1300 AD (ACe).