identifying...Babylon the great

[Quahom1]

Re: Babylon the great

we know we are in the last days from bible prophecy and chronology, and the signs that Jesus himself told us to look out for ,but the day and hour only Jehovah knows . so it does make sense it is not a contratiction, i am not stopping others from having a say, go ahead.

We don't know anything...we surmise, we guess, we think, we believe, but we know nothing, except that the Father is the only one who knows the day, the hour, the moment. It is shear arrogance to assume we know the mind of God...

It is a contradiction to consider anything else. We've been told to live our lives "daily", as if it is the last day. That is all. We have 24 hours, then God willing we have another 24 hours. That is what the Bible promises us.

We don't even know what Babylon is. (as I pointed out previously). We don't know who the man/beast marked with 666 is. We definitely don't know who the beast with two horns is (as is made obvious throughout this thread).

You may "think" you know...but the contradictions in your own statements, just causes more uncertainty, and in other cases, more resolve, for the rest of us.

Really Mee, you defeat your entire purpose...by insisting what you say is God's speak.

From my perspective..."Mother Mary", would not be pleased...(get my point?).

v/r

Q

 

[wil]

Re: Babylon the great

we know we are in the last days from bible prophecy and chronology, .....

As I see it we have no clue. We have to toss out the seven days as not being days...and any other time frame that does not fit our current paradigm we throw away as well....

And one thousand or three thousand years from now we'll be arguing the same thing as they did a thousand years ago..."these are the last days...I can prove it"

 

[Quahom1]

Re: Babylon the great

As I see it we have no clue. We have to toss out the seven days as not being days...and any other time frame that does not fit our current paradigm we throw away as well....

And one thousand or three thousand years from now we'll be arguing the same thing as they did a thousand years ago..."these are the last days...I can prove it"

We don't throw anything away...we simply must accept what God said, His days are not our days...but people like to ignore that bit of passage...

 

[BlaznFattyz]

Re: Babylon the great

i think babylon the great stems from man's desire to make themselves higher than god, and their influence is the one that thought such a thing from the beginning, and that is satan. for man to proclaim this blasphemy and make others bow to their divinity is where babylon originates and satan assists in those people that make that deal of power that satan offers. because a unified world power can cause others to halt war or start war and to create a "peace" without god is its goal. after this goal of unity is reached, economic and military domination so no one can go against is next, then the imposing of a new religious system is introduced. to continue having any livelihood within this system, one would have to have allegiance to babylon, take the mark of babylon, and worship babylon.

 

[Quahom1]

Re: Babylon the great

i think babylon the great stems from man's desire to make themselves higher than god, and their influence is the one that thought such a thing from the beginning, and that is satan. for man to proclaim this blasphemy and make others bow to their divinity is where babylon originates and satan assists in those people that make that deal of power that satan offers. because a unified world power can cause others to halt war or start war and to create a "peace" without god is its goal. after this goal of unity is reached, economic and military domination so no one can go against is next, then the imposing of a new religious system is introduced. to continue having any livelihood within this system, one would have to have allegiance to babylon, take the mark of babylon, and worship babylon.

I happen to agree. "Babylon the Great" is man aspiring to be equal to God...(stupid man)...

 

[mee]

Re: Babylon the great

Babylon the great has made all the nations drink by using the wiles of a prostitute, committing religious fornication with them. She has enticed political rulers into alliances and friendships with her. Through religious allurements, she has schemed political, commercial, and economic oppression. She has fomented religious persecution and religious wars and crusades, as well as national wars, for purely political and commercial reasons. And she has sanctified these wars by saying they are God’s will.

 

[mee]

Re: Babylon the great

Babylon the great (The world empire of FALSE religion) REVELATION 18;4And I heard another voice out of heaven say: "Get out of her, my people, if YOU do not want to share with her in her sins, and if YOU do not want to receive part of her plagues................ False religion offends the true GOD.

 

[mee]

Re: Babylon the great

babylon the great (world empire of false religion) pruduces rotten fruit matthew 7;15-17 so what is rotten fruit,........... it is spreading false doctrine, meddling in war and politics, tolaration of immoral sex. what does the future hold for religions that produce rotten fruit? Jesus warned every tree not producing fine fruit will get cut down and thrown in the fire ..matthew 7;19 fire symbolizes total destruction. the book of revelation in chapter 17 and 18 shows what will happen to false religion . getting out of false religion does not mean we have to turn to atheism, since the future of that is also bleak, 2 thessalonians1;6-9 the only haven is within True religion. true religion would be producing Good fruit matthew 7;17 so what is Good fruit? it would be practicing LOVE it would not be devided by race or culture and it would have love among themselves, they would not be killing one another. True religion bases its doctrine on Gods word the bible, and it would strengthen families and uphold high moral standards .true religion would not only be preaching bible moral standards, they would be living them.

 

[mee]

Re: Babylon the great

And a strong angel lifted up a stone like a great millstone and hurled it into the sea, saying: "Thus with a swift pitch will Babylon the great city be hurled down, and she will never be found again. revelation 18;21
After these things I heard what was as a loud voice of a great crowd in heaven. They said: "Praise Jah, YOU people! The salvation and the glory and the power belong to our God, 2 because his judgments are true and righteous. For he has executed judgment upon the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication, and he has avenged the blood of his slaves at her hand." 3 And right away for the second time they said: "Praise Jah, YOU people! And the smoke from her goes on ascending forever and ever.revelation 19;1-3

 

[cyberpi]

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Well, there is a country or two that are behaving as harlots today... if one considers what a harlot is and does. So should I move?

 

[Faithfulservant]

Re: Babylon the great

Babylon was Iraq and is still Iraq and will be Iraq when its completely destroyed...

I take the WHOLE bible literally.. not just bits and pieces..a fast food religion.. served just the way you like it.

 

[BlaznFattyz]

Re: Babylon the great

i'll have an order of fries with that.

 

[mee]

Re: Babylon the great

Babylon was Iraq and is still Iraq and will be Iraq when its completely destroyed...

I take the WHOLE bible literally.. not just bits and pieces..a fast food religion.. served just the way you like it.

yes the bible harmonizes throughout and the last book is presented in signs and symbolisim for the most part.
A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented [it] in signs through him to his slave John, 2 who bore witness to the word God gave and to the witness Jesus Christ gave, even to all the things he saw. 3 Happy is he who reads aloud and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and who observe the things written in it; for the appointed time is near. revelation 1;1-3................... yes the appointed time is near when ALL FALSE RELIGION will be no more ,so i am out of babylon the great because she is going down in a big way never to be found again.
SUDDEN, shocking, devastating—such will be the demise of Babylon the Great! It will be one of the most catastrophic events in all history, marking the start of the "great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again."—Matthew 24:21.Jehovahs people have been getting out of false religion for many years now , that is the way to go because then Jehovah will take us in . thrilling times indeed.Happy are those who hear the words of the prophecy and observe the things in it.
babylon the great is the religious antitype of ancient Babylon.
Babylon the Great has fallen, opening the way for God’s people to be released and restored, to their land of spiritual prosperity. after babylon the great fell
false religion could no longer keep a hold on Jehovah’s people.
Ancient Babylon’s fall in 539 B.C.E. was the start of a long decline that ended in her desolation. watch this space false religion is on the way out for good. getting out of her is the way to go.

 

[Faithfulservant]

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Sorry mee I dont see symbolism and signs.. I see literal truth. Iraq is babylon.. ALL FALSE RELIGION is any religion that denies the diety of Jesus Christ. To me..mee... that is truth.

 

[cyberpi]

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Sorry mee I dont see symbolism and signs.. I see literal truth. Iraq is babylon.. ALL FALSE RELIGION is any religion that denies the diety of Jesus Christ. To me..mee... that is truth.

So what does 'deity' or 'diety' mean to you? Creator of the Universe? Author of the bible? Your maker?

 

[Faithfulservant]

Re: Babylon the great

So what does 'deity' or 'diety' mean to you? Creator of the Universe? Author of the bible? Your maker?

Yes Creator God.. El Shaddai, The Almighty.. Jehovah God.. Yahweh.. Adonai..Yeshua... Jesus, The Lord is my Salvation.. The Cornerstone of my faith... The beginning and the end The Alpha and the Omega... Elohim.. The Word. The Shepard.. The slain Lamb.. The King of Kings the Lord of Lords..The God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.. The God of Israel. The Holy one of Israel.. The Redeemer. The Spirit of God.. The Comforter.. The Helper..

All of the above.

 

[Dor]

Re: Babylon the great

So what does 'deity' or 'diety' mean to you? Creator of the Universe? Author of the bible? Your maker?

My 2cp.

http://www.comparative-religion.com/forum/names-of-jesus-5101.html

 

[mee]

Re: Babylon the great

Sorry mee I dont see symbolism and signs.. I see literal truth. Iraq is babylon.. ALL FALSE RELIGION is any religion that denies the diety of Jesus Christ. To me..mee... that is truth.

according to the bible, false religion is producing rotten fruitage and is offensive to God....... meddling in war and politics is one thing that true religion should not be doing but they do, most religions spread false doctrine , they teach that the soul or spirit is some invisible part of a human that survives the death of the physical body. however the bible teaches a different doctrine.THE SOUL THAT IS SINNING IT ITSELF WILL DIE ezekiel18;4 the living are conscious that they will die,but as for the dead they are conscious of nothing at all Ecclesiastes9;5 many many religions have spread false doctrines down through time and many have been decieved by this spreading of false doctrine . Jesus taught that the dead will be resurrected, an unnecessary action if humans had an immortal soul.John 11;11-25 and many religions tolarate immoral sex. in western lands church groups ordain Gay and lesbian members of the clergy and urge goverments to recognize same -sex marriages. what though does the bible teach? it plainly states in 1 corinthians 6;9-10 DO NOT BE MISLED and lists the things that God says are wrong. yes these things are offensive to God . and Jesus christ indicated that false religion produces bad works ,just as a rotten tree produces worthless fruit matthew 7;15-17

 

[cyberpi]

Re: Babylon the great

...most religions spread false doctrine , they teach that the soul or spirit is some invisible part of a human that survives the death of the physical body. however the bible teaches a different doctrine. THE SOUL THAT IS SINNING IT ITSELF WILL DIE ezekiel18;4

Is that what makes you think the soul or spirit is visible... because it can die? What is the soul and spirit then? Why two... dualism? Two parts of a Trinity? If you claim to know that most religions spread false doctrine... I would expect good answers from you.

Yes Creator God.. El Shaddai, The Almighty.. Jehovah God.. Yahweh.. Adonai..Yeshua... Jesus, The Lord is my Salvation.. The Cornerstone of my faith... The beginning and the end The Alpha and the Omega... Elohim.. The Word. The Shepard.. The slain Lamb.. The King of Kings the Lord of Lords..The God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.. The God of Israel. The Holy one of Israel.. The Redeemer. The Spirit of God.. The Comforter.. The Helper..

All of the above.

The scripture loses a lot of the meaning to me lumping all of the names into one. I will have to compile a list of arguments I guess. How do you explain the scripture I was pointing out where Jesus (pbuh) said that he was not glorifying himself? That he glorifies God (swt) the Father and the Father glorifies him?

 

[BlaznFattyz]

Re: Babylon the great

he didnt come as just any man preaching another philosophy or religion of man, he came as the son of god to speak the word of god directly from god, and to call others to the kingdom of god, and he fulfilled the words of god as our lord god and saviour whom the father had announced, and thru christ alone we have reconciliation back to god.

false religion denies the deity of christ as the way, the truth, and the life. false religion casts doubt on the authority and validity of the holy bible. false religion takes the focus off jesus christ and puts it on man.