Discussion in 'Health' started by Bruce Michael, Jun 26, 2007.
Good post, couldn't agree more.
salaam InLove habibty
A few years ago I watched a documentary about children suffering from very severe skin conditions, the poor little things had cracked bleeding skin all over their body. They were being treated by Great Ormond St hospital and some had agreed, under medical supervision to try Chinese herbal medicine/remedies. Within 3 months of starting the Chinese remedy these children had remarkable improvements. You could see the poor specialist at the hospital desperate to say what he wanted to but obviously could not. He had to say what remarkable results they were but were not backed by medical 'proofs' and therefore could not be recommended as a treatment. You should have seen these children, some had up to 90% improvement in skin condition and to be honest I cried, I was so happy their suffering had been eased. I can imagine it frustrates the hell out of doctors and nurses.
Another example was 4 weeks ago, I went to the doctor with an oral infection. I swilled my mouth with this hideous liquid for 2 weeks with no improvement. Then a week later a nurse told me to suck on fresh pineapple, as it has a particular acid that combats fungal infection. I swear to G-d, in 48 hours my problem was gone. Just show you how nature provides a cure for everything.
I hope the funguy in your mouth was your hubby !!!
LMAO. You are so naughty. I wish it was
I can't help but wonder what situations like this really say about our contemporary society as a whole, primarily but not so limited anymore to "western" cultures. I hear the blame so often being laid at the foot of the doctors, but I don't totally accept this. Sure, there are those in the medical profession who are in it just for the money--and these are the ones who could give a hoot about (or who actively suppress) the possible and often time-tested benefits of what is now considered "alternative" treatment. But I believe there are many in the medical community who struggle more and more every day with the imaginary wall that has been erected over time between the two schools of thought. I see real anguish on the faces of some of my own doctors, who because of the separation of training methods, wish they could tell me more. I ask about things they simply cannot comment much on, not, as one recently stated, because they don't think there are benefits or because they don't believe, but because the constraints placed upon their research and funding just don't allow for it. In other words, if they go around speculating out loud about these things (some of which are even considered illegal here), the powers that be might see fit to transfer them to some place where it won't reflect negatively on themselves or their constituents. The most I have been able to extract from the willing has been a recommendation to visit my local Buddhist temple. And I am by no means knocking that--I was already headed in that direction. I just think that they ought to be able to study and practice a wider range of therapies without being ostracized and penalized for it.
I wasn't trying to blame the doctor, he was obviously desperate not to be so contrained by government policy. I just felt so angry that a treatment, which obviously works, that has been used by billions of people, for thousands of years can be made unavailable to suffering children because it doesn't meet the government medical standards. Okay we can't say yeah take anything you want but surely there is a way to prove it is not harmful, therefore can be used by the medical profession if it is shown to have positive results?!
Oh, I never thought that....I was just rambling on.
You'd think so, huh? Red tape, politics, bureaucracy. Maybe we might push hard enough to change things in, oh, a hundred years? (That's how it feels to me, sometimes.) In the meantime, I'll grow my healing gardens and drink my herbal teas. I'll even bathe in valerium if I have to ( Yucky! Ever smelled that stuff? Eeesh!)
Maybe if we could stop our resources from being spent on violence and the support of those who abuse others, maybe we could cure AIDS, cancer, and the common cold. Or we could fix our intrastructures so that everyone can travel safely. What a concept.
That is the stupid thing, with all our new technology we appear to actually be going backward. How many thousands of years did all the nations use nature as a cure and now we are in a race to see how many natural cures we can find before we finish destroying the rain forests. Ho hum, I am so proud to be human sometimes and they say sharks have small useless brains!!!!
Well you're never going to be a world leader with an attitude like that young lady. Where is the greed, the need for world supremecy or the holier than thou attitude?
And what is this nonsense about putting money into the infrastructure? Are you actually suggesting that your tax dollars be used to keep you safe? You do have some strange ideas.
LOL. I wrote "valerium". I meant "valerian". (Must the the pharmaceuticals I'm taking. )
I think it's more likely to be the brownies
Hi, MW (and all).
I lost a post somewhere! Maybe it will show up later....
If not, I will re-create it when I have time. Might be a few days. I'm running late for an appointment right now. What I said may have sent up some red flags for review.
I thought I'd try "bumping", but so far it has not helped.
Love ya--catch ya later.
Hi Everyone--sorry about taking so long to try and re-post the thoughts that cyberspace ate a few days ago! Lost posts are kind of like fishing stories sometimes. You know, the "great one" that "got away"?
Anyway, I'll do my best.
LOL. No, it was the prescription meds that probably made me misspell "valerian". Now, the brownies may have had something to do with "intrastructure" instead of "infrastructure"....
Seriously, though--it may come as a surprise to some here that I have probably only indulged in that special dessert once or twice in my lifetime way back when. But before anyone is too disappointed in me, read on.
I know it is a subject that has been rehashed (pun!) time and again both here in C-R and everywhere, but there are lots of new members, and some older views may have changed a bit.
So, I'd like to discuss the issue of medical marijuana. It has become legal in several states in the U.S., but there is still so much controversy surrounding it. A lot of doctors have gotten in trouble over it, as well as some patients. The state I live in still refuses to give the idea anything but a superficial nod followed by either an awkward silence between doctors and patients or by what seems to be a political blanket attitude from those who know little about the conditions which marijuana may treat, and care even less about those who speak up about it.
When I consider how many weeds and seeds (the puns just keep coming) have been banned for various reasons in various places throughout history, it amazes me. I guess what I am saying is that I think it has not been given a fair trial. I guess I'm wondering if people still believe that putting the word "medical" in front of "marijuana" is just an "excuse".
I would have made a better post, but I have just started my post-remission second round of chemotherapy this week. It does things to a body and mind. I hope to be able to keep up with the conversation, if it follows. If I don't type a lot, just know that I will be reading until I can join in more fully.
Edited by author: Maybe I should start a new thread? I guess I didn't because I wonder how many people think of marijuana as "homeopathic".
Hope things are going well for you and yours these days. Yes this is a subject that really raises my ire in some ways, but not for the reasons that some may think.
There has been physical proof uncovered at archaeological sites in various places that the use of medicinal herbs has been used as both a treatment and a sacramental substance for at least 100,000 years.Cannabis plants and their seeds are one of those that have been found most often.
Everyone who is born on the planet these days has built-in brain receptors for cannaboids, opioids, and alkaloids. But that is a result of thousands of years of use by indigenous peoples of the natural forms of these substances. Refinement and distillation of the substances into harmful entities that may affect us negatively has only happened in the past 150 years or so since the British were the first to turn drug trade into a global, profit making activity.
This national demonization of cannabis started in one place with one person, Harry Anslinger, a Congressperson from Pennsylvania in the late 1930's. It arose because of a concern among consevative elements in America who were apprehensive about the rising influence of African American music in the culture, and of the fact that marijuana was used as a matter of course by many musicians, white and black, in that era. I know that this true because my father was a popular musician of some notability in the midwest in the 30's through the 60's. He was a pretty straight arrow and he didn't use to my knowledge, but told me many stories about the music culture back then.
Of course the 60's was a really terrifying era for conservative elements. Stoned hippy freak heads were not the vision of the nation's future that they envisioned, and that's when law enforcement really began to crack down on the culture. I myself did not imbibe until we were into the 1970's, and then only as a relaxing experience, since the life of young fatherhood can at times be really anxiety producing. I used it on an intermittent basis for some time until I started having asthma problems in the late 80's, and now , since I don't do alchohol hardly at all, I'll still take a shallow dose now and then for the novelty, but very rarely.
This all leads us to the present and to the Federal demonization activities that are still actively taking place. States have seemed to get the message from their citizens and medical establishments that use of the substance is very beneficial for some sick people who have problems as a result of physical disease symptoms and sickness incurred through treatment regimens, such as those you're undergoing. But the Feds are still raiding legal medicinal outlets, especially in California, and generally stifling use of the substance by the public in any way that they can, even though medicinal use is legal now in about a dozen states in the U.S.
And most recently, there have been reearch studies released, coming out of the UK mostly, that use of cannabis can cause psychosis. Of course the fact that today's substance is a far cry from the low potency of past versions of the substance is never emphasized in these reports. A corollary would be to exclaim that a glass of wine a day is equivalent to drinking a 12 0z. glass of Everclear three times a day in the process of transforming the consistency of one's liver into that of a bowling ball.
As I posted on another thread here, it is apparent to anyone who has studied the situation and its implications, that this is all purely political and economic. There are too many powerful people and governments making too much money on the illegal drug trade for this pattern to stop anytime soon. Wars on drugs campaigns aren't going to stop illegal smuggling, sale, and use of these substances, because too much of the repression activities of governments are funded through black programs funded with profits from the drug trade. Remember what went on at Meena, Ark ? How about what went on in the "Golden Triangle" of SE Asia during the Vietnam War ? What about Columbia ten years ago, and Afghanistan today ?
IMHO, we as citizens have no voice in all of this undercover activity by our "betters". But at least these individuals and institutions should have the compassion and love to help ease the suffering of their fellow humans when the simple act of permitting one to smoke a joint once in a while would do the trick. But of course, prolonging human suffering might be precisely the point for conservative forces who insist upon living in the dark all of their lives, and trying to impose that choice upon as many people around them as possible all of the time. It would sure solve a lot of the prison overcrowding issues and free-up governmental funds for more humane purposes. But then, when studying history one sees that the probable outcome would be for our "betters" to begin another war.
Woe is us. But these are not the real issues in all of this. IMHO, they are spiritual and about giving people the occasional chance to relieve stress and momentarily enter mental and emotional places where anxiety may fall away and relaxation and imagination might spontaneously occur once in awhile. Of course these are basic human things to experience as our indigenous ancestors knew, and most of us have yet to rediscover.
Sorry for the historical rant my sweet, but you know me well ennough by now to know that it's needed once in awhile to maintain my stability.
Be well, hi to Jack, and stay... InLove.
I truly believe doctors should be allowed to prescribe it, as with any other medicine. So many trials have shown the benefits to people for whom there is no known cure for their illness. Shouldn't we do all we can to ease their suffering? If it relieves someone pain for just half an hour every day I say go for it.
I hope you don't have too many sicky days, shall be praying for you. Chin up habibty and be strong, when you can't be strong have a damned good cry. My thoughts are with you.
Thanks for the communication on the subject of medical marijuana. I didn't really know whether to expect anything except negative reactions to my thoughts. Surprising not to receive any! Last time I was involved in a conversation about it, things were different. Maybe people aren't as likely to say derogatory things to me about my opinions now that I am actually a cancer patient? Funny how that works....
Wow. Just read up on Mr. Anslinger and company. I didn't know all of that. When I think of some of the things that societies so freely and easily take into practice and compare that to the "wars" on other things that might be so incredibly beneficial in many ways, I just have to shake my head in disbelief. Sure, there can be dangers in just about anything out there. It is what we do with these things and why we do them. And it just seems like a perennial problem, no matter what substance or activity we are discussing. Someone will always find a way to profit from the backs or souls of others--someone will always find a way to stir up opinion against some group of people to make more material gains for themselves. But it is a gain for which I believe they do and will pay, whether they realize it or not. I think you hit the nail on the head, flow, when you used the term "our betters". There are just too many times when an official title or influential position are the reason an idea takes hold. And so often, these folks are able to convince others by playing on our fear of the "unknown" or "the other guy". I've read comments by several posters here in C-R lately that describe the times we live in right now as a kind of "Dark Age". I think these posters may be onto something....
BBC NEWS | Magazine | How much is too much coffee?
"Provided it's taken in moderation we don't need to see coffee as a threat to health, but the recommendation is enjoy in moderation," says a spokeswoman for the British Dietetic Association.
"But coffee has also been found to have health benefits. Drinking a daily cup or three may reduce the risk of liver diseases in heavy drinkers and one study has shown it could protect against the onset of Alzheimer's. Last month a study suggested it could help protect skin from the sun."
I looked into medicinal marajuana several years ago for my mother, who has ongoing neuralgia. Trials were being done on MS patients in the UK. Unfortunately she wasn't suitable..one of my brothers tried to get her to do brownies. UNfortunately now she has been medicated pharmacutically to the hilt.
I found cannabis of great help when I had dysentary once.... don't go near it now as I had a bad experience mixed with another illegal substance ??@@!!!**
Have you heard of the "Raw food" movement ? I have been starting to go that way, there seems to be amazing results.
Raw foodism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
or just google "raw food"
I used to be avidly against taking drugs and saw smoking marijuana for illness just an excuse to get high. I have never tried drugs in my life, not even an experimental smoke. Then my father was diagnosed with bowel cancer and was given 6 weeks to live - alhamdolillah that was 14 years ago. I changed my mind during his illness, I would have given anything to ease his pain, drugs, money, my heart, anything. I think it is when you get up close and personal to illness that your attitudes change.
By the way InLove I was telling my Dad about you today and he asked me to give you a message .... "Do not ever think your time is limited, or it will get you. Wake up every day, even on the bad days, and tell yourself you will not let this beat you. It can be beaten with the mind."
Coffee seems to be one of those things that it depends what you read. Have been looking it up and can find everything from you will die in a week to it is a cure for all ills. Will have to put it on the list with eggs, milk, water, meat, etc and just moderate intake.
Quality (Illy beans) rather than quantity (Mellow Birds !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Thank you, MW (and dad). I take it that he is much better now? I hope so....yes, I know that the mind is an amazing thing, and I have seen it heal the body. I can think of little that is more encouraging than the idea that I could actually triumph over this condition right in this very lifetime. The thought of recovering and being around for my own dad and family, and just doing some things I always thought I was supposed to do--if anything can help me through these days and hours and minutes, that would be it!
Also, I would very much like to add something to my comments regarding medical marijuana. (Then I'll let you guys get on with the coffee chat--mmmm....coffee....)
While I was investigating the links at the top of the page that resulted from our conversation here, I ran across a news story that featured a man who works at a medical marijuana dispensary in California. I don't remember if cancer is among his ailments, but I do remember that his physical problems were many. Apparently, marijuana is helpful to him in the treatment of these problems. But the interview greatly disturbed me for more than one reason.
First of all, the article looks as if it is going to be a responsible report, and that maybe it is even supportive of legislation that would reconcile federal and state laws and allow a sincere and consciencious look at the issue. But what I observed was an extreme sensationalist "spin" or perhaps political agenda behind it all. Aarrgghh! One step forward and two steps back!
The interview begins with the man getting behind the wheel of his car on his way to work, lighting up the first of fifteen (!) joints he will smoke that day. And the reporter just drops right into the rider's seat there beside him. Folks, this is not what I advocate, and I wanted to make that clear. There is something wrong with this picture, IMO. Duh.
I am no doctor, and I am certainly in no position to say how much marijuana may be helpful to this particular person. If fifteen joints is what he needs, then it should be his business as long as he is not attempting to hook others on it for profit and things like that. And I am not one of those folks who thinks that a toke one takes at 8 AM in the morning is going to be the cause of an auto accident at 5 in the afternoon. There are people driving cars all over this world every minute under the influence of perfectly legal prescription meds that studies show are much more likely to impair thier judgement on the road. But what this man is doing is dangerous and irresponsible (again, my opinion). With advocates like him "on my side", who needs opponents? Should I write the reporters and let them know just how much help they have been? Sheesh!
(Just had to get that off my chest.)
Back to regularly scheduled stuff, now.
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