Do we (Muslims, Christians and Jews) believe in the same God or not?

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  1. LeoSalinas22

    LeoSalinas22 merely a shadow...

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    hello bob,
    look, i know what you mean, believe me i do! but, man's state of mind is naturally sinful and rebellious. it is when we start to act out our fantasies with our physical vessel is what is going to get us judged. i have yet to see in the scriptures where God judges someone for their thoughts only. well, there is the "thou shalt not covet." Law. i will have to read more into that...
    trust me when i say this, i constantly have nasty thoughts about my wife. there is nothing wrong with that! but, hey, to each his own...
    thanks for pointing these details out, bob. i will have to read more into this situation. but the sad fact is that the truth is lost in the texts as you stated yourself, they do contradict each other. but, keep in mind that just beause Aaron made a golden calf for the people of Israel to worship, doesn't mean it is ok. if in fact these two, David and Jonathan, were gay, it doesn't mean it is ok to be with the same sex. from my point of view, this is merely a history lesson. something that man can learn from so that we aren't doomed to repeat the same mistake. just my thoughts.
    but women are soft and graceful! and their butts are heart shaped, surely God made women's butts heart shaped for a reason?:D just messing with you. you are right, though, only time will tell if we will ever truly understand both sides of the fence without truly crossing it. i fear God too much to do such a thing.
    good example! no, i am not seeing the same way you are seeing. but that could be because God's Law is written on my heart. it could also be that i am a goody two shoes. i can't help it. what i do know is that we all have our purpose in this world. we all have our role to play. even you have your role to play, my friend, but only God will be the ultimate Judge of it all. so, until we are in His Image, i mean truly in His Image and know good and evil, then we will be able to judge. but right now, we have a long way to go. thanks for reading. hope to hear from you soon.
     
  2. bob x

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    And you think I will be judged negatively because I not only wish someone's happiness in my heart, but really act to make him happy? Very strange God you believe in.

    Then you have not read with any care. Jesus spends a great deal of time emphasizing that the internal thought of lust or violence or greed is equivalent to the act. The Psalms have similar reflections.

    OK then, I was just misjudging the way you speak. I thought you were the type who wouldn't call your thoughts about your own loved one "nasty", reserving that term only for me.

    The texts do make a point of telling us which of the things and people they report on are being approved of, and which disapproved of: the golden calf is quite explicitly and strongly disapproved.

    By contrast, God calls David "a man after my own heart". The only time David is ever condemned for anything is for his heterosexual lust for Bathsheba, and then only because he was stealing her from another and endangered his life (successfully) to carry that out.

    You can't cross it. If women's bodies excite you, and men's bodies don't, that is just how you are. I'm the reverse, and that's just how I am. (Woman's butts are too big for me: I like a cute little tight butt-- to look at anyway, and to stroke; I'm not into anal penetration-- or is this TMI?)
     
  3. madeinrussia89

    madeinrussia89 Well-Known Member

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    I read what the verses you posted, but I fail to see how that had anything to do with praying to the saints or painting it in a negative light. So....I don't know what to tell you.

    But let me ask you something, at church (I'm assuming you go but correct me if I'm mistaken), people say " I'll pray for you " or you ask for someone's prayers to be with you when you are going through a trial or a particular hardship, right? So, I do pray directly to God as a form of worship/communication/etc, but I pray to the saints to ask them to pray for me too which is no bad thing, I need all the help I can get. I'm not going through anyone to get to God, I'm just asking for their prayers to be with me.

    As for the quote, it's just a common Orthodox/Catholic belief on the subject.
     
  4. madeinrussia89

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    First of all, God does not have the sins we have. We are jealous, we are messed up, God is perfect.

    And God is not like my husband, I am not a nun. God is so beyond that title.

    God wouldn't deny us help, God sends angels to help us, so I'm not quite sure about where you get the idea that he doesn't want us to get help from them, or saints.
     
  5. LeoSalinas22

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    hello again, russian:
    you don't have to say anything, really. just wanted your thoughts on the verses. what i am trying to say that it is pointless to ask for dead people to pray for you. people that are alive? that's ok, i guess. please don't think that i am trying to tell you what the truth is because i am not. just merely presenting my point of view. take it or leave it. it would be better to have presented my thoughts to you than have just kept my fingers "shut".

    sorry, i don't go to "church". still looking for the right one, though i am beginning to think that their isn't one, yet.
    to each his/her own, right?

    exactly, God doesn't have the sins we have. but we are in His image. not completely, but we have aspects of Him that He is still working on. He is still perfecting us. but this is an entire explanation all together. anyways, look at these verses:
    Exodus 34:14 Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

    Deuteronomy 4:24 For the Lord your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.

    tell me what you think, ok?
    Isaiah 54:5 For your Maker is your husband-- the Lord Almighty is his name-- the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer; he is called the God of all the earth.

    Jeremiah 3:14 "Return, faithless people," declares the Lord, "for I am your husband.

    Ezekiel 16:32 "'You adulterous wife! You prefer strangers to your own husband!

    hope you can see where i get my crazy ideas. hope to hear from you soon. thanks and God be with you...
     
  6. dauer

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    No, it's not about G!d being translated as a she. It's about the actual gender and meaning of some of the words used for G!d. You can't see that unless you actually go to the Hebrew. Judaism doesn't consider any translation official for a reason. Any translation is going to assert things that the original text does not. If you could understand Hebrew, then you'd know that G!d is referred to using feminine language and symbolism as well as masculine language and symbolism. Also, Judaism's not sola scriptura and I don't understand why you assume it should be. And the whole tanach, as well as all sacred texts, are essentially made up theories, to use your words. Jesus is just another dying god like so many mythical figures before him.

    That's not much of a response to what I said.

    Mayyim chayyim is mentioned many times in the Tanach as well as later Jewish scripture. I thought I had that particular passage bookmarked but do not. When all of the stuff from my old computer has been recovered and sent to me, I may have it in some notes I took from a class.

    Honestly, I don't see the connection. And I said at a higher level G!d doesn't give or receive. Your literalism astounds me. Of G!d at that level, nothing can be said. But at a lower level, G!d both gives and receives. I'm beginning to understand how you so readily gulp down that kool-aide.

    Are you thinking about the atheist in the foxhole now? That's not a proof of G!d, just an aspect of human psychology. If you must know, I've suffered more than most of the people I know, and those people would agree with me. I claim it's just as likely G!d doesn't exist as it is that he does because subjective experience is by nature fallible and biased. It's like filtering light with a with a prism. We can't see the light that's going in and when we do see it it's been distorted into multiple colors.

    At the same time, you are advocating a particularist view of G!d to which I would say that any particularist view of G!d is just as likely, as well as the possibility that none of the particularist views are correct. I don't let my subjective experiences cloud my mind. I own them and value them, but I do not then claim that they are some sort of absolute truth.

    And on suffering, I know of people who have suffered much and for that precise reason do not believe in G!d, though I myself do not fall into that category.


    You are making baseless assertions, and some of it is quite illogical. First of all, you can't establish that we actually see G!d's works. Second, if you see G!d's works, that doesn't mean you see G!d. That means you see His works. If you visit an area that's just been struck by a tsunami, you don't see the tsunami. You see the devastation it caused. To confuse an effect with a cause is just not logical.

    Also, it doesn't seem like you're interested in people judging for themselves unless they agree with you, and it seems you assert your own judgement as more accurate than that of others, despite its particularist and subjective nature.

    The bible.

    Animals also eat and live off the land. Animals also eat and drink. Animals also breathe. How does the human condition differ from that of animals in such a way as to imply we are meant to dominate? There are other animals who are more numerous than humans. There are beings on this planet that can easily kill a human, that we are defenseless against even with our technology. Viruses and bacteria keep pace with our technology. Insects are more numerous and cover more territory than we do.

    I don't see that at all. What I see is you relying a) on your own subjective experience and b) on the bible whenever it agrees with your own subjective experience or disagrees with another person's subjective experience. That is the same old claims to Truth and in a sense even more particularlist because it is based only on your own experiences. You're making an idol of your subjectivity.

    I'm not making it seem like you know the truth. I'm asserting that you've convinced yourself that you do, and the second statement above is evidence of that. If I may put what you said in different words. "I'm not saying I know the truth. I just see the truth all around me and say what it is."

    That's entirely illogical.

    I don't think these times suck more than most other periods of history. I love the time that I live in. And whether or not it sucks has got nothing to do with whether or not we're meant to dominate the world.

    Why do you assume it was given, and why do you assume, even if it was given, that the giver has any resemblance to what you call G!d?

    Look at the world around you without assumptions. If you have an experience that others do not, question it. If you and some you know have one experience, and others have a very different one, question the experience you had.

    You don't know. You believe blindly despite the lack of proof. There is a huge difference.

    I'm extremely offended by your blatant hypocrisy. You ask me not to make it about you, and then you make assertions about what I do privately based not on any claims of my own, but only because of my knowledge of human physiology. Then, instead of addressing the points I made, I'm assuming because you have no way to do so, you just dismiss them, as you did above regarding Shaddai. I would suggest that because you do not have answers for me, you instead resort to attempts at attacking me, my credibility, and my character which is very low indeed.

    The above, however, is a good example of the way your mind works. You jump to conclusions based on limited evidence. This helps me to understand more why you would come to believe in a metaphysic so lacking in objective evidence.

    As long as they are only your thoughts and you don't act on them. Otherwise you'd be just as bad as the folks who treated black folks in the US differently. It's important for us to come together and support each other when we see xenophobic tendencies in man hurting our fellows. There is a History of Jews doing as much, like Heschel marching with King.

    You're not analyzing the environment. You're confusing your subjective experience of the environment with the environment. That's like confusing a video taken of a vacation with the vacation.

    And no, I've not asserted anything about the schyzophrenic's hallucinations except that your experiences are no more likely to be true than theirs. Instead of saying whether you agree or disagree, you have again jumped to conclusions based on lack of evidence. So I ask you, do you agree with me that it's just as possible the schyzophrenic is correct and you are wrong?

    And now you are dismissing me again, instead of answering me. Do you agree with me then, that it's okay if two men are in love or two women are in love and they act upon their love? If not, why don't you just address the issues I've raised instead of playing games?

    You already have pointed your finger at me multiple times and I've pointed out one time that you did it above. You're being a hypocrite.
     
  7. madeinrussia89

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    Well, I guess this is just a fundamental difference in beliefs, because in my faith...just because someone dies doesn't mean they are really gone, they don't stop praying and looking after you after death.

    I certainly hope that one day you find the right one.


    Typical Old Testament verses, very strange ones at that. I don't know what to tell you because I don't have that same translation in my Bible, but the verses are probably there to put the fear of God in our hearts, not to proclaim God as Jealous and flawed, you know.

    Okay, we call God " father in Heaven " or " husband " but he isn't literally our father or husband or even a he for that matter (Except for Jesus Christ), but much more than that, it's just a metaphor given because we can't possible wrap our heads around what God is.

    Generally only nuns are referred to as being " married to God " because turning their backs on their vows is like committing adultery to a husband.
     
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    Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the Old Testament:[FONT=Futura XBlkCn BT,Impact][/FONT]
    The Qur’an mentions in Surah Al-Araf chapter 7 verse 157:

    "Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) in the law and the Gospel".

    1.

    MUHAMMAD (PBUH) PROPHESISED IN THE BOOK OF DEUTERONOMY:

    Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18:

    "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."
    The Christians say that this prophecy refers to Jesus (pbuh) because Jesus (pbuh) was like Moses (pbuh). Moses (pbuh) was a Jew, as well as Jesus (pbuh) was a Jew. Moses (pbuh) was a Prophet and Jesus (pbuh) was also a Prophet.
    If these two are the only criteria for this prophecy to be fulfilled, then all the Prophets of the Bible who came after
    Moses (pbuh) such as Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, etc. (pbut) will
    fulfill this prophecy since all were Jews as well as prophets.

    However, it is Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who is like Moses (pbuh):

    i)

    Both had a father and a mother, while Jesus (pbuh) was born miraculously without any male intervention.

    [Mathew 1:18 and Luke 1:35 and also Al-Qur'an 3:42-47]

    ii)

    Both were married and had children. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not marry nor had children.

    iii)

    Both died natural deaths. Jesus (pbuh) has been raised up alive. (4:157-158)

    Muhammad (pbuh) is from among the brethren of Moses (pbuh). Arabs are brethren of Jews. Abraham (pbuh) had two sons: Ishmail and Isaac (pbut). The Arabs are the descendants of Ishmail (pbuh) and the Jews are the descendants of Isaac (pbuh).

    Words in the mouth:
    Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was unlettered and whatever revelations he received from Almighty God he repeated them verbatim.
    "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."
    [Deuteronomy 18:18]

    iv)

    Both besides being Prophets were also kings i.e. they could inflict capital punishment. Jesus (pbuh) said, "My kingdom is not of this world." (John 18:36).

    v)

    Both were accepted as Prophets by their people in their lifetime but Jesus (pbuh) was rejected by his
    people. John chapter 1 verse 11 states, "He came unto his own, but his own received him not."

    iv)

    Both brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not bring any new laws. (Mathew 5:17-18)
    .
    2.

    It is Mentioned in the book of Deuteronomy chapter 18:19

    "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not harken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."


    3.

    Muhammad (pbuh) is prophesised in the book of Isaiah:

    It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12:

    "And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."
    When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (pbuh) by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "I am not learned".

    4.

    prophet Muhammad (pbuh) mentioned by name in the old testament:

    Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:

    "Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem."
    "His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters
    of Jerusalem."

    In the Hebrew language im is added for respect. Similarely im is added after the name of Prophet Muhammad
    (pbuh) to make it Muhammadim. In English translation they have even translated the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as "altogether lovely", but in the Old Testament in Hebrew, the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is yet present.


    Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the New Testament:
    Al-Qur'an Chapter 61 Verse 6:
    "And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, 'O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.' But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, 'This is evident sorcery!' "
    All the prophecies mentioned in the Old Testament regarding Muhammad (pbuh) besides applying to the Jews also hold good for the Christians.

    1.

    John chapter 14 verse 16:
    "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever."
    2.

    Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:

    "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which
    proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."

    3.

    Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:

    "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not
    come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".

    "Ahmed" or "Muhammad" meaning "the one who praises" or "the praised one" is almost the translation of the
    Greek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word 'Comforter' is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.
    Paracletos
    is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh) actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even the
    Greek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh) who is a mercy for all creatures.

    Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realise
    that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the
    Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet
    Muhammad (pbuh).


    4.

    Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:

    "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is
    come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".

    The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
     
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    Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the Old Testament:
    The Qur’an mentions in Surah Al-Araf chapter 7 verse 157:
    "Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) in the law and the Gospel".

    1.
    MUHAMMAD (PBUH) PROPHESISED IN THE BOOK OF DEUTERONOMY:
    Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18:
    "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."
    The Christians say that this prophecy refers to Jesus (pbuh) because Jesus (pbuh) was like Moses (pbuh). Moses (pbuh) was a Jew, as well as Jesus (pbuh) was a Jew. Moses (pbuh) was a Prophet and Jesus (pbuh) was also a Prophet.
    If these two are the only criteria for this prophecy to be fulfilled, then all the Prophets of the Bible who came after
    Moses (pbuh) such as Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, etc. (pbut) will
    fulfill this prophecy since all were Jews as well as prophets.
    However, it is Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who is like Moses (pbuh):

    i)
    Both had a father and a mother, while Jesus (pbuh) was born miraculously without any male intervention.
    [Mathew 1:18 and Luke 1:35 and also Al-Qur'an 3:42-47]

    ii)
    Both were married and had children. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not marry nor had children.
    iii)
    Both died natural deaths. Jesus (pbuh) has been raised up alive. (4:157-158)
    Muhammad (pbuh) is from among the brethren of Moses (pbuh). Arabs are brethren of Jews. Abraham (pbuh) had two sons: Ishmail and Isaac (pbut). The Arabs are the descendants of Ishmail (pbuh) and the Jews are the descendants of Isaac (pbuh).
    Words in the mouth:
    Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was unlettered and whatever revelations he received from Almighty God he repeated them verbatim.
    "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."
    [Deuteronomy 18:18]

    iv)
    Both besides being Prophets were also kings i.e. they could inflict capital punishment. Jesus (pbuh) said, "My kingdom is not of this world." (John 18:36).
    v)
    Both were accepted as Prophets by their people in their lifetime but Jesus (pbuh) was rejected by his
    people. John chapter 1 verse 11 states, "He came unto his own, but his own received him not."
    iv)
    Both brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not bring any new laws. (Mathew 5:17-18).
    2.
    It is Mentioned in the book of Deuteronomy chapter 18:19
    "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not harken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."

    3.
    Muhammad (pbuh) is prophesised in the book of Isaiah:
    It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12:
    "And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."
    When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (pbuh) by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "I am not learned".

    4.
    prophet Muhammad (pbuh) mentioned by name in the old testament:
    Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
    "Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem."
    "His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters
    of Jerusalem."
    In the Hebrew language im is added for respect. Similarely im is added after the name of Prophet Muhammad
    (pbuh) to make it Muhammadim. In English translation they have even translated the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as "altogether lovely", but in the Old Testament in Hebrew, the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is yet present.

    Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the New Testament:Al-Qur'an Chapter 61 Verse 6:
    "And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, 'O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.' But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, 'This is evident sorcery!' "
    All the prophecies mentioned in the Old Testament regarding Muhammad (pbuh) besides applying to the Jews also hold good for the Christians.

    1.
    John chapter 14 verse 16:"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever."
    2.
    Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:
    "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which
    proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."
    3.
    Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:
    "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not
    come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".
    "Ahmed" or "Muhammad" meaning "the one who praises" or "the praised one" is almost the translation of the
    Greek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word 'Comforter' is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.
    Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh) actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even the
    Greek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh) who is a mercy for all creatures.
    Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realise
    that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the
    Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet
    Muhammad (pbuh).

    4.
    Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:
    "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is
    come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".
    The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
     
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    Hi MSE.

    Pertaining to Jesus you said:
    I can tell you that your argument is not built to convince Christians at all. If you debunk Jesus than that is forgivable. He himself said that "Anyone who speaks against the Son of Man will be forgiven." (Luke 12:10), but you shouldn't say (pbuh) for Jesus either way. This is wrong. If Jesus is not the Prophet who was to come, then a false prophet (let us suggest Jesus is a false prophet) should be ignored and stoned, not blessed. This is part of Moses' criteria for testing the Prophet who was to come, but you say you're familiar with these criteria.

    Jesus said in Matthew 10:24 that he did not come to bring peace to the earth, the opposite spoken by the angels who announced his birth who said "and on earth, peace, good will toward men." If Jesus is speaking correctly, then he has no need of peace. If he speaks wrongly, then we mustn't call down peace upon him. In the first case, it is disrespectful to say (pbuh) and in the second it shows disregard for Moses.
     
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    Actually the Gospel identifies the Comforter/Helper/Counselor as the Holy Spirit.
    John 14:15-31
    15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
    Indwelling of the Father and the Son

    19 “A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. 20 At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. 21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”
    22 Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, “Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?”
    23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. 24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me.
    The Gift of His Peace

    25 “These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. 27 Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. 28 You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.
    29 “And now I have told you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe. 30 I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has nothing in Me. 31 But that the world may know that I love the Father, and as the Father gave Me commandment, so I do. Arise, let us go from here.​
     
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    The title of the first post in the thread is Do we (Muslims, Christians and Jews) believe in the same God or not?

    I have not read through the thread yet, so perhaps my point of view could be different after I do. To me, the answer is 'No', although its not that we disagree about the concept of One God. That there is One God we all agree. I ask how does it connect us to believe in the One God if believing means different things to different people? One thinks that believing means you do this, another believes it means to do that.
    So you believe there is One God! The concept is incomplete until you define what it means to you personally. If we both believe there is one God it does not create a common bond between us, because my bond is stronger with someone who lives the same way that I do regardless of their mental perceptions.
     
  13. MSE

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    THIS IS MSE

    I hope Insha Allah it will answer to your question
    Moses pbuh is more like Muhammad pbuh
    Deuteronomy 18:18 “I (God) will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee (Moses), and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.”
    Many Christians believe this prophecy foretold by Moses to be in regards to Jesus. Indeed Jesus was foretold in the Old Testament, but as will be clear, this prophecy does not befit him, but rather is more deserving of Muhammad, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him. Moses foretold the following:
    1. The Prophet Will Be Like Moses

    .
    Areas of Comparison
    Moses
    Jesus
    Muhammad
    Birth
    normal birth
    miraculous, virgin birth
    normal birth
    Mission
    prophet only
    said to be Son of God
    prophet only
    Parents
    father & mother
    mother only
    father & mother
    Family Life
    married with children
    never married
    married with children
    Acceptance by own people
    Jews accepted him
    Jews rejected him
    Arabs accepted him
    Political Authority
    Moses had it (Num 15:36)
    Jesus refused it
    Muhammad had it
    Victory Over Opponents
    Pharaoh drowned
    said to be crucified
    Meccans defeated
    Death
    natural death
    claimed to be crucified
    natural death
    Burial
    buried in grave
    empty tomb
    buried in grave
    Divinity
    not divine
    divine to Christians
    not divine
    Began Mission at age
    40
    30
    40
    Resurrection on Earth
    not resurrected
    resurrection claimed
    not resurrected



    2. The Awaited Prophet will be from the Brethren of the Jews

    The verse in discussion is explicit in saying that the prophet will come amongst the Brethren of the Jews. Abraham had two sons: Ishmael and Isaac. The Jews are the descendants of Isaac’s son, Jacob. The Arabs are the children of Ishmael. Thus, the Arabs are the brethren of the Jewish nation.[3] The Bible affirms:
    ‘And he (Ishmael) shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.’ (Genesis 16:12)
    ‘And he (Ishmael) died in the presence of all his brethren.’ (Genesis 25:18)
    The children of Isaac are the brethren of the Ishmaelites. Likewise, Muhammad is from among the brethren of the Israelites, because he was a descendant of Ishmael the son of Abraham.


    3. God Will Put His Words in the Mouth of the Awaited Prophet

    The Quran says of Muhammad:
    “Neither does he speak out of his own desire: that [which he conveys to you] is but [a divine] inspiration with which he is being inspired.” (Quran 53:3-4)
    This is quite similar to the verse in Geneses 18:15:
    “I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him” (Geneses 18:18)
    The Prophet Muhammad came with a message to the whole world, and from them, the Jews. All, including the Jews, must accept his prophethood, and this is supported by the following words:
    “The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken.” (Deuteronomy 18:15)


    4. A Warning to Rejecters

    The prophecy continues:
    Deuteronomy 18:19 “And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require [it] of him.” (in some translations: “I will be the Revenger”).
    Interestingly, Muslims begin every chapter of the Quran in the name of God by saying:
    Bismillah ir-Rahman ir-Raheem
    “‘In the Name of God, the Most-Merciful, the Dispenser of Grace.”
    The following is the account of some scholars who believed this prophecy to fit Muhammad.
     
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  14. MSE

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    Position of Jesus (pbuh) in Islam:
    (i)

    Islam is the only non-Christian faith, which makes it an article of faith to believe in Jesus (pbuh). No Muslim is a Muslim if he does not believe in Jesus (pbuh).

    (ii)

    We believe that he was one of the mightiest Messengers of Allah (swt).

    (iii)

    We believe that he was born miraculously, without any male intervention, which many modern day Christians do not believe.

    (iv)

    We believe he was the Messiah translated Christ (pbuh).


    (v)

    We believe that he gave life to the dead with God’s permission.

    (iv)

    We believe that he healed those born blind, and the lepers with God’s permission.

    II

    CONCEPT OF GOD IN CHRISTIANITY:

    1.

    Jesus Christ (pbuh) never claimed Divinity

    One may ask, if both Muslims and Christians love and respect Jesus (pbuh), where exactly is the parting of ways? The major difference between Islam and Christianity is the Christians’ insistence on the supposed divinity of Christ (pbuh). A study of the Christian scriptures reveals that Jesus (pbuh) never claimed divinity. In fact there is not a single unequivocal statement in the entire Bible where Jesus (pbuh) himself says, "I am God" or where he says, "worship me". In fact the Bible contains statements attributed to Jesus (pbuh) in which he preached quite the contrary. The following statements in the Bible are attributed to Jesus Christ (pbuh):

    (i) "My Father is greater than I."
    [The Bible, John 14:28]

    (ii) "My Father is greater than all."
    [The Bible, John 10:29]

    (iii) "…I cast out devils by the Spirit of God…."
    [The Bible, Mathew 12:28]

    (iv) "…I with the finger of God cast out devils…."
    [The Bible, Luke 11:20]

    (v) "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."
    [The Bible, John 5:30]


    2.

    The Mission of Jesus Christ (pbuh) – to Fulfill the Law

    Jesus (pbuh) never claimed divinity for himself. He clearly announced the nature of his mission. Jesus (pbuh) was sent by God to confirm the previous Judaic law. This is clearly evident in the following statements attributed to Jesus (pbuh) in the Gospel of Mathew:

    "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
    "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven; but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
    "For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."
    [The Bible, Mathew 5:17-20]


    3.

    God Sent Jesus' (pbuh)

    The Bible mentions the prophetic nature of Jesus (pbuh) mission in the following verses:

    (i)

    "… and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me."
    [The Bible, John 14:24]


    (ii)

    "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent."
    [The Bible, John 17:3]


    4.

    Jesus Refuted even the Remotest Suggestion of his Divinity

    Consider the following incident mentioned in the Bible:

    "And behold, one came and said unto him, ‘Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?’
    And he said unto him, ‘Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.’ "
    [The Bible, Mathew 19:16-17]

    Jesus (pbuh) did not say that to have the eternal life of paradise, man should believe in him as Almighty God or worship him as God, or believe that Jesus (pbuh) would die for his sins. On the contrary he said that the path to salvation was through keeping the commandments. It is indeed striking to note the difference between the words of Jesus Christ (pbuh) and the Christian dogma of salvation through the sacrifice of Jesus (pbuh).

    5.

    Jesus (pbuh) of Nazareth – a Man Approved of God

    The following statement from the Bible supports the Islamic belief that Jesus (pbuh) was a prophet of God.

    "Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know."
    [The Bible, Acts 2:22]


    6.

    The First Commandment is that God is One

    The Bible does not support the Christian belief in trinity at all. One of the scribes once asked Jesus (pbuh) as to which was the first commandment of all, to which Jesus (pbuh) merely repeated what Moses (pbuh) had said earlier:

    "Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adonai Ikhad."
    This is a Hebrew quotation, which means:
    "Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord."
    [The Bible, Mark 12:29]

    It is striking that the basic teachings of the Church such as Trinity and vicarious atonement find no mention in the Bible. In fact, various verses of the Bible point to Jesus’ (pbuh) actual mission, which was to fulfill the law revealed to Prophet Moses (pbuh). Indeed Jesus (pbuh) rejected any suggestions that attributed divinity to him, and explained his miracles as the power of the One True God.
    Jesus (pbuh) thus reiterated the message of monotheism that was given by all earlier prophets of Almighty God.

    NOTE
    : All quotations of the Bible are taken from the King James Version.

    III

    CONCEPT OF GOD IN OLD TESTAMENT:

    1.

    God is One

    The following verse from the book of Deuteronomy contains an exhortation from Moses (pbuh):

    "Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adna Ikhad".
    It is a Hebrew quotation which means:
    "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord"
    [The Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4]


    2.

    Unity of God in the Book of Isaiah

    The following verses are from the Book of Isaiah:

    (i)

    "I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour."
    [The Bible, Isaiah 43:11]


    (ii)

    "I am Lord, and there is none else, there is no God besides me."
    [The Bible, Isaiah 45:5]


    (iii)

    "I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me."
    [The Bible, Isaiah 46:9]


    3.

    Old Testament condemns idol worship


    (i)

    Old Testament condemns idol worship in the following verses:

    "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."
    "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:"
    "Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God."
    [The Bible, Exodus 20:3-5]


    (ii)

    A similar message is repeated in the book of Deuteronomy:

    "Thou shalt have none other gods before me."
    "Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that in the earth beneath, or that is in the water beneath the earth."
    "Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them; for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God."
    [The Bible, Deuteronomy 5:7-9]

     
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    MSE, you are right to say Jesus did not claim divinity. People do not listen when told these things or it would be more commonly understood. MSE, after more than a thousand years the religious people still remain largely at odds, and the faiths are not the same. I wish that I were good enough to end all such disagreements, but none of us is. I think Mohammad was a very enterprising and savvy person who lived while there was war waged by the Christian Empire upon all men, including Jews. With human beings such war is natural, and it is difficult to accept. Perhaps in all of the confusion a great man, whose loss is mourned, lost his faith and decided to make faith into his tool -- to forge an empire against the Christians. Who could blame him for it?
     
  16. Muslimwoman

    Muslimwoman Coexistence insha'Allah

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    I have just spent 2.5 hours wading through this thread - ok I am a slow reader but I also wanted to digest what has been said and not just scan it.

    Gosh how very sad I feel now, yet another opportunity to discuss our shared believes rather than our differences gone. I have read so many posts telling other people what their faith and belief means in order to prove theirs wrong and yours right - how pointless and how arrogant.

    Perhaps people could answer a few questions for me. The rules however are:

    1. You can only answer for your own Abrahamic faith.
    2. You should state what that faith is (ie the name of the religion).
    3. You can only answer yes or no (no buts or apart froms)

    The questions are:

    1. Do you believe there is only One G-d?

    2. Do you believe He is the creator of the heavens and earth?

    3. Do you believe He is the creator of mankind and we will all return to Him for Him to do as He wills with us?

    4. Do you believe that G-d created other non-human entities (eg angels).

    5. Do you believe He has sent Messengers to different nations (ie different Prophets and Messengers to different peoples throughout human history)?

    6. Do you believe that G-d wants us to live good lives, with love and compassion?

    7. Do you believe that you have any G-d given right to judge what is in another persons heart?


    Perhaps if people would answer these according to their faith we could find some common ground?

    As a Muslim I would answer Yes to 1-6 and No for 7 ..... your turn.

    (NB when I use He to refer to G-d it is simply because our language is so limited and I refuse to refer to G-d as 'it' - Islam does not give a specific gender to Allah)
     
  17. OzAndy

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    Hi Thankyou so so so much for your post. This thread has gone off track for many recent posts.

    I am a Christian and my denomination is Uniting Church in Australia which is a Potestant denomination.

    Like you I would answer YES! to the first six quesrtions and NO! to the last.

    This is not to say there are not significant difference between Abrahamic faiths, but I believe we believe in the same God!!!

    I made this point in my first post to this thread in 2005! See Re: Do we (Muslims, Christians and Jews) believe in the same God or not?

    I Hope your wonderful post puts this thread back on track and we can get back to dialogue and not diatribe!!!!

    Blessings

    Andrew
     
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    Perhaps in all of the confusion a great man, whose loss is mourned, lost his faith and decided to make faith into his tool -- to forge an empire against the Christians. Who could blame him for it?

    I dont know what this supposed to mean but i will ignore it


    The Most Concise Definition of God:[​IMG] The most concise definition of God in Islam is given in the four verses of Surah Ikhlas which is Chapter 112 of the Qur’an:

    "Say: He is Allah,
    The One and Only.
    "Allah, the Eternal, Absolute.
    "He begets not, nor is He begotten.
    And there is none like unto Him."
    [Al-Qur’an 112:1-4]

    The word ‘Assamad’ is difficult to translate. It means ‘absolute existence’, which can be attributed only to Allah (swt), all other existence being temporal or conditional. It also means that Allah (swt) is not dependant on any person or thing, but all persons and things are dependant on Him.

    The most concise definition of God in Islam is given in the four verses of Surah Ikhlas which is Chapter 112 of the Qur’an:

    "Say: He is Allah,
    The One and Only.
    "Allah, the Eternal, Absolute.
    "He begets not, nor is He begotten.
    And there is none like unto Him."
    [Al-Qur’an 112:1-4]

    The word ‘Assamad’ is difficult to translate. It means ‘absolute existence’, which can be attributed only to Allah (swt), all other existence being temporal or conditional. It also means that Allah (swt) is not dependant on any person or thing, but all persons and things are dependant on Him.

    Surah Ikhlas - the touchstone of theology:

    Surah Ikhlas (Chapter 112) of the Glorious Qur’an, is the touchstone of theology. ‘Theo’ in Greek means God and ‘logy’ means study. Thus Theology means study of God and to Muslims this four line definition of Almighty God serves as the touchstone of the study of God. Any candidate to divinity must be subjected to this ‘acid test’. Since the attributes of Allah given in this chapter are unique, false gods and pretenders to divinity can be easily dismissed using these verses.

    By what name do we call God?
    The Muslims prefer calling the Supreme Creator, Allah, instead of by the English word ‘God’. The Arabic word, ‘Allah’, is pure and unique, unlike the English word ‘God’, which can be played around with.

    If you add ‘s’ to the word God, it becomes ‘Gods’, that is the plural of God. Allah is one and singular, there is no plural of Allah. If you add ‘dess’ to the word God, it becomes ‘Goddess’ that is a female God. There is nothing like male Allah or female Allah. Allah has no gender. If you add the word ‘father’ to ‘God’ it becomes ‘God-father’. God-father means someone who is a guardian. There is no word like ‘Allah-Abba’ or ‘Allah-father’. If you add the word ‘mother’ to ‘God’, it becomes ‘God-mother’. There is nothing like ‘Allah-Ammi’, or ‘Allah-mother’ in Islam. Allah is a unique word. If you prefix tin before the word God, it becomes tin-God i.e., fake God. Allah is a unique word, which does not conjure up any mental picture nor can it be played around with. Therefore the Muslims prefer using the Arabic word ‘Allah’ for the Almighty. Sometimes, however, while speaking to the non-Muslims we may have to use the inappropriate word God, for Allah. Since the intended audience of this article is general in nature, consisting of both Muslims as well as non-Muslims, I have used the word God instead of Allah in several places in this article.

    [B][B]PHILOSOPHY OF ANTHROPOMORPHISM[/B][/B]

    Many religions at some point believe, directly or indirectly, in the philosophy of anthropomorphism i.e. God becoming a human. Their contention is that Almighty God is so pure and holy that He is unaware of the hardships, shortcomings and feelings of human beings. In order to set the rules for human beings, He came down to earth as a human. This deceptive logic has fooled countless millions through the ages. Let us now analyze this argument and see if it stands to reason.

    [COLOR=#800000][B]The Creator prepares the instruction manual: [/B][/COLOR]Suppose I manufacture a video cassette recorder (VCR). Do I have to become a VCR to know what is good or what is bad for the VCR? What do I do? I write an instruction manual: "In order to watch a video cassette, insert the cassette and press the play button. In order to stop, press the stop button. If you want to fast forward press the FF button. Do not drop it from a height or it will get damaged. Do not immerse it in water or it will get spoilt". I write an instruction manual that lists the various do’s and don’ts for the machine.


    [COLOR=#800000][B]Holy Qur’an is the instruction manual for the human being:[/B][/COLOR][FONT=Arial][/FONT]Similarly, our Lord and Creator Allah (swt) need not take human form to know what is good or bad for the human being. He chooses to reveal the instruction manual. The last and final instruction manual of the human beings is the Glorious Qur’an. The ‘dos’ and ‘don’ts’ for the human beings are mentioned in the Qur’an.
    If you allow me to compare human beings with machines, I would say humans are more complicated than the most complex machines in the world. Even the most advanced computers, which are extremely complex, are pale in comparison to the myriad physical, psychological, genetic and social factors that affect individual and collective human life.
    The more advanced the machine, greater is the need for its instruction manual. By the same logic, don’t human beings require an instruction manual by which to govern their own lives?

    [COLOR=#800000][B]Allah chooses Messengers: [/B][/COLOR]
    Allah (swt) need not come down personally for giving the instruction manual. He chooses a man amongst men to deliver the message and communicates with him at a higher level through the medium of revelations. Such chosen men are called messengers and prophets of God.


    [COLOR=#800000][B]Some people are ‘blind’ and ‘deaf’: [/B][/COLOR]
    Despite the absurdity of the philosophy of anthropomorphism, followers of many religions believe in and preach it to others. Is it not an insult to human intelligence and to the Creator who gave us this intelligence? Such people are truly ‘deaf’ and ‘blind’ despite the faculty of hearing and sight given to them by Allah. The Qur’an says:
    "Deaf, dumb, and blind,
    They will not return (to the path)."
    [Al-Qur’an 2:18]

    The Bible gives a similar message in the Gospel of Matthew:
    "Seeing they see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand."
    [The Bible, Matthew 13:13]

    A similar message is also given in the Hindu Scriptures in the Rigveda.
    "There maybe someone who sees the words and yet indeed does not see them; may be another one who hears these words but indeed does not hear them." 1
    [Rigveda 10:71:4]

    All these scriptures are telling their readers that though the things are made so clear yet many people divert away from the truth.

    i hope this is useful Insha Allah







     
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    Perhaps in all of the confusion a great man, whose loss is mourned, lost his faith and decided to make faith into his tool -- to forge an empire against the Christians. Who could blame him for it?

    I dont know what this supposed to mean but i will ignore it


    The Most Concise Definition of God:[​IMG] The most concise definition of God in Islam is given in the four verses of Surah Ikhlas which is Chapter 112 of the Qur’an:


    "Say: He is Allah,
    The One and Only.
    "Allah, the Eternal, Absolute.
    "He begets not, nor is He begotten.
    And there is none like unto Him."
    [Al-Qur’an 112:1-4]
    The word ‘Assamad’ is difficult to translate. It means ‘absolute existence’, which can be attributed only to Allah (swt), all other existence being temporal or conditional. It also means that Allah (swt) is not dependant on any person or thing, but all persons and things are dependant on Him.

    The most concise definition of God in Islam is given in the four verses of Surah Ikhlas which is Chapter 112 of the Qur’an:

    "Say: He is Allah,
    The One and Only.
    "Allah, the Eternal, Absolute.
    "He begets not, nor is He begotten.
    And there is none like unto Him."
    [Al-Qur’an 112:1-4]
    The word ‘Assamad’ is difficult to translate. It means ‘absolute existence’, which can be attributed only to Allah (swt), all other existence being temporal or conditional. It also means that Allah (swt) is not dependant on any person or thing, but all persons and things are dependant on Him.

    Surah Ikhlas - the touchstone of theology:

    Surah Ikhlas (Chapter 112) of the Glorious Qur’an, is the touchstone of theology. ‘Theo’ in Greek means God and ‘logy’ means study. Thus Theology means study of God and to Muslims this four line definition of Almighty God serves as the touchstone of the study of God. Any candidate to divinity must be subjected to this ‘acid test’. Since the attributes of Allah given in this chapter are unique, false gods and pretenders to divinity can be easily dismissed using these verses.

    By what name do we call God?
    The Muslims prefer calling the Supreme Creator, Allah, instead of by the English word ‘God’. The Arabic word, ‘Allah’, is pure and unique, unlike the English word ‘God’, which can be played around with.

    If you add ‘s’ to the word God, it becomes ‘Gods’, that is the plural of God. Allah is one and singular, there is no plural of Allah. If you add ‘dess’ to the word God, it becomes ‘Goddess’ that is a female God. There is nothing like male Allah or female Allah. Allah has no gender. If you add the word ‘father’ to ‘God’ it becomes ‘God-father’. God-father means someone who is a guardian. There is no word like ‘Allah-Abba’ or ‘Allah-father’. If you add the word ‘mother’ to ‘God’, it becomes ‘God-mother’. There is nothing like ‘Allah-Ammi’, or ‘Allah-mother’ in Islam. Allah is a unique word. If you prefix tin before the word God, it becomes tin-God i.e., fake God. Allah is a unique word, which does not conjure up any mental picture nor can it be played around with. Therefore the Muslims prefer using the Arabic word ‘Allah’ for the Almighty. Sometimes, however, while speaking to the non-Muslims we may have to use the inappropriate word God, for Allah. Since the intended audience of this article is general in nature, consisting of both Muslims as well as non-Muslims, I have used the word God instead of Allah in several places in this article.
    [B]PHILOSOPHY OF ANTHROPOMORPHISM[/B]

    Many religions at some point believe, directly or indirectly, in the philosophy of anthropomorphism i.e. God becoming a human. Their contention is that Almighty God is so pure and holy that He is unaware of the hardships, shortcomings and feelings of human beings. In order to set the rules for human beings, He came down to earth as a human. This deceptive logic has fooled countless millions through the ages. Let us now analyze this argument and see if it stands to reason.

    [B]The Creator prepares the instruction manual: [/B]Suppose I manufacture a video cassette recorder (VCR). Do I have to become a VCR to know what is good or what is bad for the VCR? What do I do? I write an instruction manual: "In order to watch a video cassette, insert the cassette and press the play button. In order to stop, press the stop button. If you want to fast forward press the FF button. Do not drop it from a height or it will get damaged. Do not immerse it in water or it will get spoilt". I write an instruction manual that lists the various do’s and don’ts for the machine.


    [B]Holy Qur’an is the instruction manual for the human being:[/B]Similarly, our Lord and Creator Allah (swt) need not take human form to know what is good or bad for the human being. He chooses to reveal the instruction manual. The last and final instruction manual of the human beings is the Glorious Qur’an. The ‘dos’ and ‘don’ts’ for the human beings are mentioned in the Qur’an.
    If you allow me to compare human beings with machines, I would say humans are more complicated than the most complex machines in the world. Even the most advanced computers, which are extremely complex, are pale in comparison to the myriad physical, psychological, genetic and social factors that affect individual and collective human life.
    The more advanced the machine, greater is the need for its instruction manual. By the same logic, don’t human beings require an instruction manual by which to govern their own lives?

    [B]Allah chooses Messengers: [/B]
    Allah (swt) need not come down personally for giving the instruction manual. He chooses a man amongst men to deliver the message and communicates with him at a higher level through the medium of revelations. Such chosen men are called messengers and prophets of God.


    [B]Some people are ‘blind’ and ‘deaf’: [/B]
    Despite the absurdity of the philosophy of anthropomorphism, followers of many religions believe in and preach it to others. Is it not an insult to human intelligence and to the Creator who gave us this intelligence? Such people are truly ‘deaf’ and ‘blind’ despite the faculty of hearing and sight given to them by Allah. The Qur’an says:
    "Deaf, dumb, and blind,
    They will not return (to the path)."
    [Al-Qur’an 2:18]
    The Bible gives a similar message in the Gospel of Matthew:
    "Seeing they see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand."
    [The Bible, Matthew 13:13]
    A similar message is also given in the Hindu Scriptures in the Rigveda.
    "There maybe someone who sees the words and yet indeed does not see them; may be another one who hears these words but indeed does not hear them." 1
    [Rigveda 10:71:4]
    All these scriptures are telling their readers that though the things are made so clear yet many people divert away from the truth.

    i hope this is useful Insha Allah







     
  20. winner08

    winner08 Well-Known Member

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    The myth of hell a geological place where a loving God will send all non believers is the greatest deception of the devil himself. Think about it for one min. You earthly father who loves you very much would never send you to a place like hell where you will be tormented forever and ever. But the mainstream christian would have you believe that your heavenly Father who created you, and who has more love for you than your earthly father would send you to hell. This is only but one difference. Mainstream reiligon believes this stuff. Do they ever question?, are are thay lead blindley by their blind teachers? They just pass this stuff down from one generation to the next. Like santa clause and the easter bunnie.

    Darren
     

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