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look, i know what you mean, believe me i do! but, man's state of mind is naturally sinful and rebellious. it is when we start to act out our fantasies with our physical vessel is what is going to get us judged. i have yet to see in the scriptures where God judges someone for their thoughts only. well, there is the "thou shalt not covet." Law. i will have to read more into that...But you don't have the choice. It is principally the state of mind.
trust me when i say this, i constantly have nasty thoughts about my wife. there is nothing wrong with that! but, hey, to each his own...It is exceedingly rude of you to characterize my feelings for my beloved as "nasty". You are speaking of what is very holy to me.
thanks for pointing these details out, bob. i will have to read more into this situation. but the sad fact is that the truth is lost in the texts as you stated yourself, they do contradict each other. but, keep in mind that just beause Aaron made a golden calf for the people of Israel to worship, doesn't mean it is ok. if in fact these two, David and Jonathan, were gay, it doesn't mean it is ok to be with the same sex. from my point of view, this is merely a history lesson. something that man can learn from so that we aren't doomed to repeat the same mistake. just my thoughts.I believe you are grossly mistaken. There is not a single passage where their relationship is mentioned without an overt emphasis on the *physicality* of it. When Jonathan first sees David, "his bowels yearned for him." When they are first alone together, Jonathan strips naked (it is explicitly stated that he took off even his loincloth) and "gave him his all." Jonathan invents a coded signal to alert David whether he should flee, immediately, without coming back to the palace, but David feels he must come back anyway for a last hug. Saul insists on separating the two because Jonathan is loving David "to the confusion of a mother's nakedness", an odd phrase and hard to interpret otherwise than sexually (best guess: Saul means that Jonathan is failing to beget a son, his duty as the next in line to the throne; significantly, Jonathan does not have a son until after he is separated from David). And of course, when Jonathan dies, David mourns, "Most excellent was your love to me, far better than the love of women." I do not know how much more explicit the book of Samuel could have gotten, other than by veering into soft homo-porn; the author of Samuel takes a very matter-of-fact attitude toward their sexuality, clearly not showing the Leviticus attitude at all. (A major problem that Biblical fundamentalists have is refusing to see that different books in the Bible are written by different authors, who often *sharply disagree* with each other.)
but women are soft and graceful! and their butts are heart shaped, surely God made women's butts heart shaped for a reason? just messing with you. you are right, though, only time will tell if we will ever truly understand both sides of the fence without truly crossing it. i fear God too much to do such a thing.I don't really know, and can't know, what it is like to look at Brad Pitt and not have any urge at all to pull his pants down; I suppose it must be like the way I look at women whom other guys feel urges for.
good example! no, i am not seeing the same way you are seeing. but that could be because God's Law is written on my heart. it could also be that i am a goody two shoes. i can't help it. what i do know is that we all have our purpose in this world. we all have our role to play. even you have your role to play, my friend, but only God will be the ultimate Judge of it all. so, until we are in His Image, i mean truly in His Image and know good and evil, then we will be able to judge. but right now, we have a long way to go. thanks for reading. hope to hear from you soon.Daniel Dennett had this example: suppose we discovered a long-lost fugue by Bach, but unfortunately, the opening theme-notes were precisely the tune to "Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Reindeer". Could we possibly ever hear that fugue the way someone in 1720 would have heard it? Similarly, when you look at Brad, are you really seeing the same thing that I am seeing?