hello bob, look, i know what you mean, believe me i do! but, man's state of mind is naturally sinful and rebellious. it is when we start to act out our fantasies with our physical vessel is what is going to get us judged. i have yet to see in the scriptures where God judges someone for their thoughts only. well, there is the "thou shalt not covet." Law. i will have to read more into that... trust me when i say this, i constantly have nasty thoughts about my wife. there is nothing wrong with that! but, hey, to each his own... thanks for pointing these details out, bob. i will have to read more into this situation. but the sad fact is that the truth is lost in the texts as you stated yourself, they do contradict each other. but, keep in mind that just beause Aaron made a golden calf for the people of Israel to worship, doesn't mean it is ok. if in fact these two, David and Jonathan, were gay, it doesn't mean it is ok to be with the same sex. from my point of view, this is merely a history lesson. something that man can learn from so that we aren't doomed to repeat the same mistake. just my thoughts. but women are soft and graceful! and their butts are heart shaped, surely God made women's butts heart shaped for a reason? just messing with you. you are right, though, only time will tell if we will ever truly understand both sides of the fence without truly crossing it. i fear God too much to do such a thing. good example! no, i am not seeing the same way you are seeing. but that could be because God's Law is written on my heart. it could also be that i am a goody two shoes. i can't help it. what i do know is that we all have our purpose in this world. we all have our role to play. even you have your role to play, my friend, but only God will be the ultimate Judge of it all. so, until we are in His Image, i mean truly in His Image and know good and evil, then we will be able to judge. but right now, we have a long way to go. thanks for reading. hope to hear from you soon.