wil provides nothing

Discussion in 'Comparative Studies' started by wil, Mar 16, 2009.

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Be honest, I'm a big boy, what do you think?

  1. Wil's posts have no value.

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  2. His posts only serve to undermine others faith.

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  3. He provides nothing in return.

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  4. He has nothing to offer.

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  5. He presents thesis as fact.

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  6. And his thesis is more fragile than that which he seeks to undermine.

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  1. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    Namaste Thomas,

    I'll gladly call you on that statement.

    I've been tiptoeing, guess you've opened that door.
     
  2. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    Now this isn't meant to undermine or create consternation in this forum.

    It is just that we often call out name calling or inciting when it is direct, and I'm perfectly happy to find out if the thoughts of Thomas are the thoughts of the crowd.

    Now I know my beliefs disagree with others here, not to worry in my mind, we all have slight or major variations on belief.

    But in many of my posts I try to tell everyone that this is my opinion, (IMO) my thought, my understanding.

    I also felt while I have differences with many we also are often enough on agreement that we can discuss things.

    I find it extraordinary that this paragraph provided indicates quite clearly otherwise.
     
  3. Netti-Netti

    Netti-Netti New Member

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    I think the poll questions go well beyond the Bro. Thomas' issue.

    But that could be helpful! :)

    It's true - its easy to cast doubt and it is no substitute for developing an affirmative position.
     
  4. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    Namaste N-N,

    I took everyone of them directly from his paragraph, sentence by sentence, in order.

    Unless I'm mistaken.
     
  5. nativeastral

    nativeastral fluffy future

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    sorry none of the options above apply to my thoughts on youre thoughts. l respect everyones opinion as l wish they do mine; sometimes catalysts are required as enzymes are in the body, where they themselves do not change. not saying youre not changing though [unless you are an enzyme] through these dialogues- you are not monologic nor diatribic so that counts for a lot in my book!
     
  6. path_of_one

    path_of_one Embracing the Mystery

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    For what it's worth, my honest assessment is that you generally present your ideas as your opinions/ideas. I don't know that you talk about facts much at all, and I never felt that you present your opinions as facts. Not that you state "here is my opinion," but I suppose I have a general assumption that we're all stating opinions, since talking about God and spirituality is not exactly a precise science where fact can be established.

    That said, I imagine you do cast doubt on many faiths, particularly through the disarming notion that everyone is equally right, or wrong (perhaps accurate and inaccurate would be better wording).

    I think doubt is useful. It keeps us honest with ourselves.
     
  7. citizenzen

    citizenzen Custom User Title

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    I can't remember your posts.

    Please sum them up for me.

    Thanks.
     
  8. Joedjr

    Joedjr A Sometimes Member

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    Hi Wil,
    These choices are all one sided. Where are the ones that balance these? I'd have to vote none of the above.
     
  9. bananabrain

    bananabrain awkward squadnik

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    i don't understand the context. i'm sure i don't always agree with you but it seems to me that thomas is being overly harsh. without seeing the context i just don't know.

    b'shalom

    bananabrain
     
  10. GlorytoGod

    GlorytoGod There is a River

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    LOL, sorry Wil I couldn't help myself.
     
  11. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    I didn't post it so we could see...didja give me one of everything?
     
  12. GlorytoGod

    GlorytoGod There is a River

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    yeah, only joking though :)
     
  13. iBrian

    iBrian Peace, Love and Unity Staff Member

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    I thought all faith was closer to thesis than fact?

    And unless anybody here is claiming to be a higher spiritual authority to be obeyed, I'm not sure why any individual's opinion should be regarded as anything but that?

    I seem to be missing context on this as well. :)
     
  14. 17th Angel

    17th Angel לבעוט את התחת ולקחת שמות

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    I am not voting cause I think you got to be a right sum'bitch to judge someone with no value..... But, again we see the trait of "some" questioning others values alot in religion.......

    I just wanted to ask... How the hell can there be five 50%'s? that.... like... Don't add up.
     
  15. greymare

    greymare New Member

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    LOL, geez Wil, you sure did tick somebody off. LOL.
    I like all your posts. Whether i agree or not...
    Perhaps i hang out too much in the Lounge and not the Serious forums?
    I would hate to put a poll up to see how I rate..
    Mate, it doesnt matter, I like you.
     
  16. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    Namaste All, and thanx.

    Should have put an option in the polling, can't see how I can modify it now. GtG, thanx for all the votes!!
    thank you
    interesting point, and while I do see a percentage of truth and distortion in each religion I also perceive varying percentages, however I think if folks were to take the virtuous notions and follow them and not focus on the I'm right/your wrong/decieved notions we'd all find spirit and benefit.

    sure, no problem... imo I believe and occasionally rotflmao. Anything else?

    Should have put that in, but I suppose that is an example of fragility of my posts Thomas was lambasting me for.

    I like you to. And Thomas as well. I think I was a little over the top taking advantage of a moment where he was over the top.

    My bad brother. I may just delete this thread.
     
  17. Dondi

    Dondi Active Member

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    wil, to be honest, I find it hard sometimes to respond to you posts, simply because I don't know really where you are coming from. From your avatar, you seem to embrace the whole gamet of beliefs. I meant I admire that you seek the unity of all disciplines, but it doesn't tell me much about you. You are just vague enough that I often don't know what defines you or what you believe. Forinstance, in this post from the "Christians: Do you accept the supernatural and the miracles of the NT?" thread

    I'm still kinda scratching my head on this one.

    It's not that I don't value your opinion. I quite liked what you said in the "Can We Bargain With God" Thread:

    It's just I don't know your identity too well. You seem to have a slide-rule of faith. Ya know what I mean?

    BTW, I didn't vote because I don't feel any of the options correctly describes what I see.
     
  18. lunamoth

    lunamoth Episcopalian

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    I doubt Thomas would agree with any of those comments out of context. I think it was probably said out of the heat of the moment.

    I like you wil and (for better or worse :D) you helped open up the Christianity forum in a way that I supported and was glad to see happen.

    But I must admit I share some of Thomas' frustration with your negativity toward anything 'traditional.' There are a lot of people who share your views on this and well, it is what it is. :shrug: I just try to stay out of those conversations.
     
  19. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    Namaste Dondi and thank you for your response. We are close by we should spend some time together someday...

    Slide-rule of faith. I like that. I'm not sure what you mean. I think you may mean that I'm a little wishy washy, however a slide rule, I actually take that as an incredible compliment. That I use a tool to look at faith that is a. incredibly accurate, b. multifunctional, c. can be used by anyone (without batteries) and d. when it comes down to nuance requires some interpolation by the user.
    Namaste Luna,

    Now I agree with the heat of the moment, but when you use words like never, always, only...you can't be taken out of context as you are not referring to any particular discussion but all discussion that I participated in. That is what I allowed to get my goat, again, I see the error in my ways and am debating whether to toss it all under the rug. But the discussion is good.

    Negativity toward anything traditional?? I don't believe so, but I could be wrong. I do have issues with tradition that we now know are based on inaccuracies or outdated thought. ie it was tradition that blacks rode on the back of the bus and moved off the sidewalk and averted their eyes when white folks approached... I am opposed to that. In work situations I've heard the traditional 'well that's the way we've always done it' and thankfully we'll do it that way no longer.

    And yes I have some issues with tradition like repeating the our father on infinitum where to me it is asked 'how' we should pray, not 'what' and I think the our father provides a very detailed 'how'. So if tradition has value, I can respect it, if it is just done because that is the way we always did it (the mother who cut the ends off the roast....) without knowing whether the why is still valid... sorry I've got no use for it.a That being said, if it floats someone elses boat to stand on their head and spit wooden nickels, I'm all for their own way of celebrating an growth. But if that same person wishes to tell me that it is the only way to enlightenment, I'll offer that they pound sand.
     
  20. Dondi

    Dondi Active Member

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    I'd like that. Perhaps lunch. I'm free every other Saturday.

    What are you today? Christian? Buddhist? Muslim? Jewish? Hindu? Christian-Buddhist? Jewish-Muslim? Can't we all just get along?

    (ETA: I think there is a song in there somewhere)
     

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