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I see, India is waaaaay below at 5.17 deaths / million (7,135 deaths in 1,380 million). But new cases piling up, especially in Mumbai, Delhi and Chennai. Afraid to go out. Stopped by wife when going to the barber's shop.
 
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Math and science are hard...

Getting governments and people to realize their cumulative personal actions directly relate to covid, racial unrest, climate change, the presidency, etc. Seems hard to convey.
 

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I'm surprised and slightly offended that none have mentioned Sweden in this thread! Here we are being all fast and loose with corona and we don't get any attention here at all! I'll be speaking with our PM about this!
 

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I'm surprised and slightly offended that none have mentioned Sweden in this thread! Here we are being all fast and loose with corona and we don't get any attention here at all! I'll be speaking with our PM about this!
How do you feel this herd mentality approach has been received on the ground there?
 

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I'm surprised and slightly offended that none have mentioned Sweden in this thread! Here we are being all fast and loose with corona and we don't get any attention here at all! I'll be speaking with our PM about this!
Lol, in the states the right wing second amendment I have rights I ain't wearing a.mask or being confined to my home types have been pointing to Sweden as the holy grail...until if course it started hitting there.and then not so much.
 

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I'm surprised and slightly offended that none have mentioned Sweden in this thread! Here we are being all fast and loose with corona and we don't get any attention here at all! I'll be speaking with our PM about this!
5th in the world 460 deaths per million of population
 

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Finally! Some attention!
The typical Swede has great trust in the institutions in these sorts of things, both the political and the medical. I am also a typical Swede in this regard.
Now, I won't go around and say that this strategy is the best option, I honestly have no idea what the best option is. What I think is noteworthy is that it has also been our chief medical advisor, Tegnell, that has been making the calls and presenting the situation to the press, which seems to be rare globally.
And to clarify, it has never been about herd immunity, it was always about being able to hold out for a long time. And of course too many people have died, and there are things we should have done different, and things we should have been stricter with. But it was about achieving a balance, and it was never going to be perfect.
 

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Finally! Some attention!
The typical Swede has great trust in the institutions in these sorts of things, both the political and the medical. I am also a typical Swede in this regard.
Now, I won't go around and say that this strategy is the best option, I honestly have no idea what the best option is. What I think is noteworthy is that it has also been our chief medical advisor, Tegnell, that has been making the calls and presenting the situation to the press, which seems to be rare globally.
And to clarify, it has never been about herd immunity, it was always about being able to hold out for a long time. And of course too many people have died, and there are things we should have done different, and things we should have been stricter with. But it was about achieving a balance, and it was never going to be perfect.
I appreciate you clarifying the reality vs herd mentality, as that is how I’ve heard and seen Sweden’s efforts described in media across the political spectrum in the US.
 

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I do check about Sweden once in a while. I think you have not done badly and you have saved your economy to some extent.
In India, we started big on lock-downs, made mistakes, destroyed the economy, and did it help to keep the number of deaths low? I do not know. We are having an explosion of cases. 276,000 cases, 10,000 new, 336 deaths today (total 7,471). Of course, fail to understand why there are so many deaths in US, UK, Europe, Brazil, etc.
 

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Hopefully we can learn a lot about this situation looking back at it, because it will happen again. I just hope it won't become a political issue that makes clear facts harder to pinpoint.
 

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Latest death toll in the "United" States from coronavirus: 145,384. :(

The :kitty: delegation is earning both their crunchies and their tinned food today!

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What I often wonder is, yeah they had Corona, but was that really the cause of death? Down here for instance you'll here so and so has succumb to Corona, then later it's mentioned they also had stage 4 cancer. Not downplaying Corona, but I can't help wonder if instances like that aren't skewing the numbers a might. .....from another thread
Don't know, but our GP tells us that he's now personally treated 17 cases. Of those 2 required hospitalization, one of which died. That patient had succumb to acute respiratory failure and even though they had been hospitalized in the past for respiratory distress prior to contracting Covid, the official cause of death was listed as complications related to Covid19.
 

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Yeah there is the typical annual death toll every year for each of our countries....things like murder, heart disease, cancer, auto accidents, diabetes....as random as they may seem are all fairly straight forward in the eyes of the actuaries....when this is over we will know the real tale, as they compare the total number that die year by year and the hump/spike goes away and we get back to "normal"....or should I say if?
 

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My sister in law has been stock in New Zealand every since the pandemic started. She just got home to Fiji a couple weeks ago when NZ finally agreed to allow Fiji to send a plane to pick up Fiji passport holders. When they got in though, Fiji decides to quarantine everyone for 14 days, before letting them return home.

So everyone gets bused to a hotel where they're Covid tested and assigned a room. Now this was a pretty posh resort hotel with better amenities then most of them have at home. AC, hot water, bath tub, cable TV, wifi and 3 hot meals a day delivered right to their rooms. Even free laundry service! So long about day 10 of the quarantine, several people start faking symptoms so they can stay!

There was a miraculous recovery though, when Fiji told everyone with "symptoms" that they'd have to continue their quarantine in the hospital! :D
 

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Yeah you'd think, but we're talking Fiji. My sister in law tells me they were all tested the day after they arrived and retested 10 days later with daily temp checks in between. On day 14 they were given the test results from the 2 prior tests and sent home.

Fiji only had 28 cases. Of those 1 death, 20 recovered with 7 ongoing. Being a small country, their Prime-minister was able to take a very aggressive stance towards the virus early on, albeit rather disorganized in typical Fiji style. Tourism has suffered greatly though and many businesses have closed shop because of it.
 

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Being a small country, their Prime-minister was able to take a very aggressive stance towards the virus early on, albeit rather disorganized in typical Fiji style. Tourism has suffered greatly though and many businesses have closed shop because of it.
The same as New Zeeland, right? Not sure about the disorganized part...
 

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The same as New Zeeland, right? Not sure about the disorganized part...
I don't know much about NZ other than what my sis in law tells us. I gather they just shut everything down for a while and are still limiting international air travel. As a result, Fiji had a very difficult time getting their citizens home, my sis in law and her son among them.

Fiji is sort of like a microcosm of India, existing in a state of organized chaos most of the time. Things get done, but damned if any of us westerners can figure out how... o_O
 
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