End Goals of Your Faith?

@'Amir Alzzalam

Would you mind picking a title for this thread that more pertains to your original post?

Maybe "beliefs in life after death"

 

The two-slit experiment observer is an electron counter or a camera of some sort -- it could in principle be a bit of wood -- it is not a mental observer in the human conscious sense of it ...

 

What are we talking about now?

 

It went before? Quantum theory is often used to try to justify some sorts of spiritual theories, but the best advice is just to drop it. It's very specific and it just doesn't fly well beyond its particular quantum application, imo

 

I have no problem dropping it, I thought we did already? I'm not a Quantum Physicist anyway, but I do have a BSc in Neurotheology, and I stayed at a Holiday Inn!

 

Dude! I have to Google that tonight, lol?

 

Well, interference from measurement IS what the double-slit experiment shows, as I learned in my quantum mechanics class.

As for the energy bit, I'm not sure you understand what energy is. Our body consumes energy, mostly in the form of calories, in order to do work like moving our arms or legs. Again, nothing mystical. It does sort of mean that our consciousness affects reality, but that's through our nervous system. It doesn't mean we warp reality on a quantum level just by looking at it. That's such a horrific misunderstanding of science that I have no idea where you're getting it from. Deepak Chopra?

 

Should that not read: I'm not sure anyone understands what energy is? It's not some excess detritus of measurement. It's unknowable. Science doesn't own it?

 

If it can be measured in Joules, then science has a lot to say about it.

Words have entire fields of meaning, and sometimes they flip to their opposite. A scientist will use the word "theory" to mean almost the exact opposite from what it means to the general public. Buddhist and Catholic Monks reverse the meanings of "meditation" and "contemplation" in their respective usage.

It took me a long time to accept that "energy" means a lot of things to many different people, and that most of those meanings are not equivalent to "amount of mechanical work".

 

It's more like the brain affects your nervous system, your brain is not your consciousness. The only horror here is your inability to comprehend what is being written.

 

But the brain is a very important ingredient of consciousness. Change brain chemistry, and consciousness changes. Interfere with the oxygen supply of the brain, and consciousness flickers.

 

When I speak of 'energy' I am usually referring to Subtle Energy, a force that is not measurable or has not been measured in the objective universe.

 

When I speak of Consciousness I'm talking about an Isolate Consciousness, a Soul/Psyche. Not being consciously aware or unconscious.

 

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Will do.

 

Damn! I thought we were on to something!!

 

So you aren't talking about consciousness at all, but the soul. And it's my fault that I misunderstand you?

This is especially egregious when you're portraying science as agreeing with you on what "consciousness" is and its separation from the body, while quoting them talking about the other form of consciousness that means "wakeful metacognition" to make this point.

I'm just trying to correct your misinformation. I don't care if you believe in a soul and talk about that, but I do care if you inaccurately portray other people as sharing your belief when they're absent and unable to correct you.

 

I have no problem with anyone else's Beliefs as long as they don't proselytize them directly to me.

When anyone is talking about Spiritual stuff I think it's obvious what we are referring to. For instance, if we are discussing Subtle Energy then I expect the topic to be talked about from a non-physical stance, but if I know of some physical science to evidence my stance I will attempt to include it. I don't think that is unreasonable.

If, and I will, attempt to incorporate physical sciences towards evidence for my conclusions, those statements are up for debate and discussion. As we all should know physical science has a difficult time explaining occult science, but we are both making progress.

 

I believe we are all energy insofar when we die we can still communicate with people's energy (and thereby personality maybe-lack of better words) after death. I don't believe there's an end state. We do die, lights out. I'm not sure the nature of the deceased in how they communicate just that they do.

Maybe the end state is when we no longer remember our loved ones...but then again people experience signs without even knowing until it happens.

I don't know. I don't believe deities exist and things like heaven are far off my radar to be even 1% fact. I don't fret about where we go after death (not something I've thought of). Life after life, maybe. Dead as a door nail. Whatever brings comfort, I guess.