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Philosophy_of_space_and_time - wikipediaPhilosophical time?
Philosophy_of_space_and_time - wikipediaPhilosophical time?
Time cannot be "created" as such.How do any of these various philosophies about time make it possible to create time from outside of time? I don't think any of them do as far as I am familiar with them.
Time cannot be "created" as such.
Eternal is a concept that has no need of measure.
'Time' is defined in this physical world as something that passes relative to motion, or the time it takes for some process to occur.
It is well known today, that this physical definition of time is not absolute, but is relative to time & space.
You are making the mistake of doing a simple calculation that means "t=0" is the beginning of existence, but this calculation is a circular conclusion as the definition of time is only assumed, and not an absolute quantity.
Using for what?So what definition of time are you using?
Using for what?
If something is eternal, it has no beginning or end.
What is there to measure?![]()
Using for what?
If something is eternal, it has no beginning or end.
What is there to measure?![]()
And our ability to conceive of the universe ends at spacetime singularity. All man's scientific instruments and microscopes and telescopes, wonderful as they truly are -- are really just extensions of the natural human senses of sight, hearing and so on. But there is no reason to assume the universe is limted to the part of it that hunan animal material senses are able to perceive or conceive?Sorry, I've re-read the thread. The definition of time you're using here, which you call philosophical time, is the "I am" of God.
I do not understand how my other post is equivocating physical time with philosophical time, given that I do not believe the "I am" of God exists. I was talking about physical time, the kind that's a part of spacetime, which is a part of our universe.
And our ability to conceive of the universe ends at spacetime singularity. All man's scientific instruments and microscopes and telescopes, wonderful as they truly are -- are really just extensions of the natural human senses of sight, hearing and so on. But there is no reason to assume the universe is limted to the part of it that animal material senses are able to perceive?
Infinite time is still time; perhaps eternal Spirit is outside of time and space. I believe time/space is what limits and defines the dimension of nature, like the walls of a room -- but the greater dimension of Spirit is like the house that surrounds and contains and permeates the universe to which our natural animal bodies limit us -- our limited room of nature, imoI do not know if time exists infinitely into the past or not. Whether there is a t=0 or not, there still cannot be a point in time before time. That's a contradiction.
Ok. Sorry I didn't imply you asserted it. I was making an independent observation. If I appear argumentative with you, that is never my intentiondo not believe that I ever asserted that the universe is limited to the parts that we are able to perceive
Right .. you don't believe in eternity.I do not believe the "I am" of God exists. I was talking about physical time, the kind that's a part of spacetime, which is a part of our universe.
Infinite time is still time; perhaps eternal Spirit is outside of time and space. I believe time/space is what limits and defines the dimension of nature, like the walls of a room -- but the greater dimension of Spirit is like the house that surrounds and contains and permeates the universe to which our natural animal bodies limit us -- our limited room of nature, imo
I believe there may be many, perhaps infinite other different sorts of dimensions -- rooms within 'my Father's house'
Right .. you don't believe in eternity.
That is why you talk about the notion of 'time' beginning at some point.
Philosophically, that makes no sense. It is just a theoretical extrapolation of some equation.
Infinite time would still be a dimension where time exists. Eternity of Spitit would be a state 'outside' of, surrounding and permeating and 'weaving' the time/space dimension of nature.time extends into the past infinitely, then there still is no moment "before" time, because there cannot be a "before" time in that instance. Every moment in eternity has a previous moment in time.
It comes back to what definition of nothing is employed. To me nothing has no qualities; it cannot be stable or unstable because it isn't there, lolNothing is unstable" as Nobel Laureate Frank Wilczeka said.
Physics cannot "figure it out"I suspend my judgment on the question of whether there is a beginning to time or not, since I do not have an answer to that and physics is still figuring that one out..
I believe just the opposite, that Consciousness forms to generate Matter. It's a trickle-down concept in that our Soul/Psyche/Self (Isolate Consciousness) exists as a singularity, which places it outside of the objective universe, and upon reflecting on itself a Duality is born, from there the frequencies diminish to the point where they move slow enough to form physical matter.I don't believe that everything came from nothing in a literal sense. I believe that matter forms to generate consciousness in our brains. When we die, that consciousness is no longer generated. We can compare what it's like to have no consciousness to the state before we gained consciousness, as well as to dreamless sleep.
As for my cosmogony, I don't think it makes sense to say that spacetime came from anything. Causality requires time. How can something cause causality without causality? You can't be "before time" since there are no moments in time that precede time.
That doesn't mean that we came from nothing. It means that we didn't come from anything.
Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. And so my body returns to its source.Hole in the ground is correct for the most.
Dust. My end.I am interested in knowing what your religion/faith's End Goal is in regards to your physical demise (Death)?
I am an adherent of the Left Hand Path and my belief lies in the transference of my conscious awareness to my Greater Self/GodSelf and the individual Subjective Reality I am creating. For us, this is the form of Self-Deification spoken about with LHP Adherents.
I am a to tiny miniscule part of the whole, the Diety, and every part of me always will be.What are your Beliefs?