Discussion in 'History and Mythology' started by Rouge47, Apr 26, 2005.
But it does say "There were Giants in the land before the deluge and after that" Who were they?
Just to add my tuppence worth... NEPHILIM translates as 'The Fallen Ones' and, as far as I know, the title refers directly to the angels who 'co-habited' with human women- the Giants were supposedly their offspring and they were called 'Giants'. Goliath and Og were Giants who'd survived the flood not from a seperate rece(Og apparantly survived because Noah took pity on him and allowed him to hold onto the side of the arc in one story). Also in the apocriphal Book of Enoch when Noah is born his parents are horrified because he has the 'apperance of the Nephilim'-which would suggest that the Nephilim themselves weren't giant in stature. (as, according to one af the variants on the myth I've come across, the human mothers of the Giants never survived carrying the child-let alone birth). For more insight into the Nephilim Myth I'd suggest reading 'From The Ashes Of Angels' by Andrew Collins. I personally don't fully agree with his conclusions but it's well argued and researched.As a little aside comment- It might realy help Christians to remember the people who wrote the Old Testement and, instead of quoting Christian versions of the myths, go to the source. (People tent to forget that the Old testement in the form modern Christians know came to us from translations from Greek and Latin sources-causing some realy bad mistranslations. Try hunting down one of the copys directly translated from the Hebrew, you'd be surprised just how different it is in places.)Personally I think the Nephilim myth probably sprung up to explain things like Albino's, Giantism, possibly the sudden (and forgotten to history) invasion/migration) of a pale skinned race of people into the area. I seriously doubt it was angels and giants- Angels are supposed to be spirit and, if I remember correctly, spirits and humans can't reproduce together.
thinking about it a bit more- Abraham, the 'Founding Father' of Judaism, was from Sumeria (modern day Iraq) and a lot of this religuious thought would have been influenced heavily by the religion and mythology of Sumeria at the time. The Sumerian gods have a striking resemblance to the Nephilim (angels, not giants) and, in some cases, their actions are identical...
Im sorry but you just arent being realistic. You've just contracted yourself. First, you state that you know about the Neandrethal Race (which were not 3 1/2 to 4 ft tall). Then, you turn around and state that humans have gone from short to tall?
You obviously recognize that Neandrethals were taller than us humans.
You are putting your own "personal" story to what "you" imagine Neandrethals were. If you follow the Book of Enoch and the revelation of the Bible...you'd realize that those beings in the Neander Valley arent "what you say they were"...but what God said they were.
Its pretty obvious. C'mon. Use a "true scientific" mind here...and not a "religious" and "slanted" and "made-up" mind...
Well, then use your mind here. The Sumerian people "obviously" were worshipping these fallen angels and their Nephilim offspring.
Jesus and his disciples all recognized the prophet Enoch. So the "mythological" religious deities were actually "real" beings.
Quite the contrary. You dont truly "believe" unless you "know" without a shout of a doubt that something is "true". So I dont know what Christians you know. Get your facts straight.
If you dont "believe" in God. I suggest you start back in the Kindergarten of Creation and Life. Creation 101.
This conversation is for the "more" informed and those who "already" KNOW the Bible is true and God inspired it...
So you shouldn't hijack the thread and try to turn it into what it isnt. This is a thread about the Nephilim...not "is God real"? Duh...
Just wetting your appetite. Being that science and archeology have confirmed evidence of Noah's Flood, bones of Giants/Nephilim, and the Neandrethal race is "obviously" the Nephilim...
The Books of Enoch reveals that this "offspring" was a rejected race by God. They were not acceptable to Him. God commanded Gabriel to cause them to kill each other in a civil-like war.
God told Enoch that once they killed themselves that their spirits would roam the earth as unclean spirits, demons hungry and thirsty with no satisfaction until the judgement.
Look at the connection: The Neander Valley is in "Germany". The "Vikings" were barbaric "Germans". Hitler, who was "German"...believed that they were a "supreme" RACE! Germany is the #1 country in the world of "atheists"...according to the CIA World Fact Book.
Many "Germans" are unable to "accept" the name and reality of God. They "ignore" the "evidences" against evolution....and continue to "believe" in it blindly.
Could it be that the RACE Hitler was endorsing....were descendants of the NEPHILIM???
Not "every" German...but that they reside and descend from there? Thus the Neander Valley of Nephilim bones...
Also, Jesus told his apostles that in the "last days" leading up to His return...that it would "again be like the days of Noah"...Hmm?
Maybe this socialistic agenda is an attempt of these "nephilim spirits" in conjuring up a return of this same epidemic.
"embryonic" stem cell research is the arena for "cloning". "abortion" is the gateway to cloning.
"evolution/darwinism" is the "deception" for people to "fall for believing" that the "return" of the Nephilim are "evolved" humans? That "race" Hitler was talking about?
Dont forget that 2 Thesalonians calls the "antichrist" the son of "SIN". What sin? Other translations say son of "perdition".
Nephilim were "children" of "sin".
Revelation states that the "antichrist" ONCE WAS, NOW IS NOT, and WILL COME UP OUT OF THE "ABYSS".
Humans aren't in the ABYSS. And humans dont come back up.
This "beast" of revelation that attempts to take over the world...is NOT human. He is a "son" of "sin"....
Also, the false prophet creates an "image" of the beast. Causes "breath" to enter the "image" of the beast and the "image" of the beast causes those who do not worship the "image" to be killed.
The Nephilim would hunt and eat humans. Sounds very similiar to what the "image" of the beast does to whoever doesnt worship him.
Adam is the "image" of God. The Nephilim are the "image" of beast.
The Sumerians were worshiping the Nephilim race and their Giant offspring?- with ref to another of your postings as well- just when did archeology uncover the bones of this non-existant race of Giants? I have to ask, are you for real? Has it ever occored to you that it's more likely that the Nephilim and Giants are simply MYTH. Recognising the biblical Enoch and believeing the APOCRAPHAL Book of Enoch to be true are two TOTALY seperate things. Is it not MORE LIKELY that the Nephilim MYTH is based on the sorys and myths of the Sumerian gods? And I've got to ask again WHEN AND WERE IS THE EVIDENCE OF THIS NON EXISTANT RACE OF GIANTS THAT ARCHEOLOGY HAS UNCOVERED? And you realy ought to read what other people have written before critisising them- Path Of One doesnot contradict him/herself, go back and read again. And what has that (racist) cr*p about Germany and Germans got to do with anything? Infact why am I even bothering to respond to you at all????
By the way Divine- The Biblical/Noah's flood hasn't been 'proved' by science-unless you're refering to the end of the last ice-age (which happend before the world existed if you're a creationalist which I think you must be) OR you might mean the truely magnificet flood of the Mesoptainan Valley (that's were the Sumerians lived) that happened very shortly after the Sumerians settled there. There's the only 'proof' of the Biblical flood. It's obvious from your postings you don't believe a word of science, only the bible. Fine- don't twist what science says to suit your purposes. This forum and it's threads are ment for open minded discussion- That's why you'll find people of different religions posting on here with different points of view and levels of knowledge and understanding. That, I think, is the last thing I'll ever have to say to you.
Oh, and by the way since when were Vikings from Germany? A little history and some basic geography wouldn't go a miss here... Hitler was Austrian. And you have a copy of the 'CIA fact book do you? Sorry, German people aren't alone in accepting evolution and it has far more evidence backing it up that the biblical account of creation (unless your only resource is the bible). Hitler considered the Germanic/ Arian race to be the 'master race'- there was no supernatural element to that belief-just eugenics (a flawed version of genetics). As for the rest... if the above simple and easily discoverable facts have evaded your notice so far...
Just a thought.. we are getting taller ... I read somewhere that the average height of a man was a lot shorter even a few hundred years ago.. /shrug
Yep, even in the last 50 odd years the average height has gone up a few inches- a noticable increase since ww2. Neaderthal man may have been, on average, a bit taller than the average 'normal' human of their time but seeing as the giants height was supposedly measured in 'dozens of cubits' there is no corrolation between the neaderthals and the giants that were the offspring of angels/nephilim. That and the neaderthals were 'long gone' by the time Noah's flood was alleged to have happened knocks any relationship between them and the biblical nephilim right on the head.
Archeologists HAVE found THEIR bones. So no they arent MYTHS. They were REAL. Bones of NEPHILIM/GIANTS have been found. If you dont know this, then you were born yesterday.
The Neandrethal bones and are EVIDENCE of the NEPHILIM.
And HISTORIC legends of the BEINGS are also evidence they were NOT myths conjured up by the mind.
Dragons are an excellent example. People "in denial", like yourself...cried out that they were "MYTHICAL" creatures....
Well, the stories and accounts of the dragons were PRIOR to the first dinosaur bone ever being found.
Dinosaur bones and fossils are "ARCHEOLOCICAL" EVIDENCE that dragons were NOT "myths"...but REAL CREATURES!
Look at the description of a dragon and look at the bones and fossils of dinosaurs...THEY ARE THE SAME CREATURE!
So it is with the NEPHILIM. They were NOT mythical beings...but LEGENDARY.
Myth is "make believe" like darwinism. Legend is a "true" story that has lost a lot of the "actual" events/characters and is an "contaminated" truth if you will.
So, those who want to "deny" the bones of dinosaurs are actually the bones of the "already told" stories of dragons....
...are the same type of people in "denial" that the neandrethals were the nephilim.
Then, the German analogy of descendants of the nephilim is NOT racist as you have incorrectly allegated.
The Neander Valley is IN GERMANY. The Vikings were FROM GERMANY. Bones of the Nephilim have been found IN GERMANY.
The CIA World FactBook shows the #1 Atheistic country IS GERMANY.
There isnt any racism in FACTS? As I've already stated.
This doesnt mean that ALL Germans are descendants...but that SOME were.
Many are atheists because of being VICTIMS of the culture "byproduct" of the "beliefs" passed down through the generations.
But Hitler WAS GERMAN. And if you dont know what he believed...than you werent just born yesterday...you must've been born last night...
SCIENCE has PROVEN that whale skeletons have been found on top of mountains in New Hampshire.
SCIENCE has PROVEN that shellfish and jellyfish fossils have been found of top of mountains in Asia.
SCIENCE has PROVEN that Noah's Ark was found in Iran with fish fossils around it.
SCIENCE has PROVEN that fossils of animals have been found with prey still in its stomach "undigested" and animals still in the middle of giving birth. (Rapid burial, not millions and millions of years...and the 'once upon a time' myth that you fantasy island guys believe).
SCIENCE has PROVEN that the continental plates were exploded apart and the midoceanic ridges and the bodies of water and north and south poles are evidences of this...along with the sea creature fossils found on MULTIPLE CONTINENTS (proof of a WORLD WIDE FLOOD, NOT LOCAL).
HISTORY has PROVEN that Noah's Flood DID happen (every civilization has the account, not JUST the Bible).
SCIENCE has PROVEN that Dinosaur/Dragons DID exist prior to Noah's Flood (fossils and bones with C14, DNA, and red blood cells proving that they are "thousands, not millions of years old").
There was no ice "age". It was a direct result of the WORLD WIDE FLOOD. Hello?
THe list goes on and on and on...Im getting tired so I'll leave with that for now...
Man, you really are in a "make believe" land bro....
Give me ONE, just ONE bit of PROOF/EVIDENCE of the evolution "myth"?
Go ahead. Deny HISTORY for one. You can only BELIEVE in the myth of evolution by denying HISTORY. You have to just totally ERASING everything that has already happened in order to believe this "fairytale" of darwinism.
Go ahead. Deny SCIENCE for two. You must bypass the scientific method in order to ingnore what's "observed" in order to "believe" this "myth".
Go ahead. Just ONE.
Are you stupid
Quite the OPPOSITE! Nature is DEvolving, not Evolving!!!
We are NOT taller than the NEPHILIM/Neandrethals.
Animals were MUCH BIGGER before the FLOOD.
Have you gone mad? CHECK THE FOSSIL RECORD! Everything, including the TREES, PLANTS, ANIMALS(Dragons/Dinosaurs, Giants)...etc.
You've really got to WAKE UP!
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