the Bible from a Jehovah's Witness perspective

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tommy said:
Of course not. Just what the Bible says, "One" true God, the Father. I don't believe in the three God mystery if that is what you mean because the Bible doesn't elude to a mystery or make reference to man's doctrines.

That's interesting. Neither do Muslims or Jews believe. And to them Jesus isn't God either, just a man.
 

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Yep interesting. Well it says All things were made by him and without him was not anything made that was made.

Now did he make himself. Cause either Jesus made himself. Or Jesus was not made. Or the Bible lies and everything you believe has to be questioned?
 

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YHWH is the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says YHWH God, "the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty." (Revelation 1:8)

"I am the first and the last, and besides me there is no God." (Isaiah 44:6)

Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last
"'Look! I am coming quickly, and the reward I give is with me, to render to each one as his work is. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end…I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to your people of these things for the congregations. I am the root and offspring of David, and the bright morning star.'" (Revelation 22:12-16)

These are the things that the Son of God says, he who has his eyes like a fiery flame, and his feet are like fine copper." (Revelation 2:18)
And I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me…is eyes as a fiery flame; and his feet were like fine copper when glowing in a furnace…he laid his right hand upon me and said: "Do not be fearful. I am the First and the Last, and the living one; and I became dead, but, look! I am living forever and ever." (Revelation 1:12-18)

Conclusion
YHWH God is the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, and is the only God, and Jesus also says he is the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last. It is evidenced by scripture that Jesus is YHWH the Lord God Almighty.[/quote
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in which a title that belongs to Jehovah is applied to Jesus Christ or is claimed to apply to Jesus

Alpha
and Omega: To whom does this title properly belong? (1) At Revelation 1:8, its owner is said to be God, the Almighty. In verse 11 according to KJ, that title is applied to one whose description thereafter shows him to be Jesus Christ. But scholars recognize the reference to Alpha and Omega in verse 11 to be spurious, and so it does not appear in RS, NE, JB, NAB, Dy. (2) Many translations of Revelation into Hebrew recognize that the one described in verse 8 is Jehovah, and so they restore the personal name of God there. See NW, 1984 Reference edition. (3) Revelation 21:6, 7 indicates that Christians who are spiritual conquerors are to be ‘sons’ of the one known as the Alpha and the Omega. That is never said of the relationship of spirit-anointed Christians to Jesus Christ. Jesus spoke of them as his ‘brothers.’ (Heb. 2:11; Matt. 12:50; 25:40) But those ‘brothers’ of Jesus are referred to as "sons of God." (Gal. 3:26; 4:6) (4) At Revelation 22:12, TEV inserts the name Jesus, so the reference to Alpha and Omega in verse 13 is made to appear to apply to him. But the name Jesus does not appear there in Greek, and other translations do not include it. (5) At Revelation 22:13, the Alpha and Omega is also said to be "the first and the last," which expression is applied to Jesus at Revelation 1:17, 18. Similarly, the expression "apostle" is applied both to Jesus Christ and to certain ones of his followers. But that does not prove that they are the same person or are of equal rank, does it? (Heb. 3:1) So the evidence points to the conclusion that the title "Alpha and Omega" applies to Almighty God, the Father, not to the Son.
 

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Alpha and Omega: To whom does this title properly belong? (1) At Revelation 1:8, its owner is said to be God, the Almighty. In verse 11 according to KJ, that title is applied to one whose description thereafter shows him to be Jesus Christ. But scholars recognize the reference to Alpha and Omega in verse 11 to be spurious, and so it does not appear in RS, NE, JB, NAB, Dy. (2) Many translations of Revelation into Hebrew recognize that the one described in verse 8 is Jehovah, and so they restore the personal name of God there. See NW, 1984 Reference edition. (3) Revelation 21:6, 7 indicates that Christians who are spiritual conquerors are to be ‘sons’ of the one known as the Alpha and the Omega. That is never said of the relationship of spirit-anointed Christians to Jesus Christ. Jesus spoke of them as his ‘brothers.’ (Heb. 2:11; Matt. 12:50; 25:40) But those ‘brothers’ of Jesus are referred to as "sons of God." (Gal. 3:26; 4:6) (4) At Revelation 22:12, TEV inserts the name Jesus, so the reference to Alpha and Omega in verse 13 is made to appear to apply to him. But the name Jesus does not appear there in Greek, and other translations do not include it. (5) At Revelation 22:13, the Alpha and Omega is also said to be "the first and the last," which expression is applied to Jesus at Revelation 1:17, 18. Similarly, the expression "apostle" is applied both to Jesus Christ and to certain ones of his followers. But that does not prove that they are the same person or are of equal rank, does it? (Heb. 3:1) So the evidence points to the conclusion that the title "Alpha and Omega" applies to Almighty God, the Father, not to the Son.

LOL, what "scholars" recognize it to be "spurious"? Who are these "SCHOLARS"? You mean to tell me that men can determine what is correct and what is incorrect in the Bible? Who pray tell, gave them that athority?

Reasoning away things, doesn't make them true or false, only molded to fit the prerequisites of the reasoner.
 

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mee said:
As the bible tells us, Jesus sure is a mighty God.
For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9;6-7
Or, "Mighty Divine One." Heb., ’El Gib·bohr´ (not ’El Shad·dai´ as in Ge 17:1, Sy, "Mighty God of times indefinite"; Lat., De´us for´tis.yes there is only one Almighty God and that is Jehovah.
"God Almighty." Heb., ’El Shad·dai´
WAIT ONE SECOND HERE.
I underlined something you put on here Mee. If Jesus is the first created being, why did they call him Eternal Father? And that is your own quote there.
 

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Quahom1 said:
LOL, what "scholars" recognize it to be "spurious"? Who are these "SCHOLARS"?

From what I understand, the earliest manuscripts omit certain verses throughout the New Testament, and when those verses are found in later manuscripts their authenticity becomes somewhat doubtful... or spurious.

Quahom1 said:
You mean to tell me that men can determine what is correct and what is incorrect in the Bible?

Well, it's not as if God wrote the Bible with his own hand. Men have been determining the contents of the Bible throughout it's development, if whole books can be included or excluded, then why not verses?

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Who pray tell, gave them that athority?

Who gave Constantine authority over Arius? Who gave men the authority to exclude the book of Enoch, when it is quoted as scripture by James? It seems that Men gave Men the authority to determine the contents of the Bible... but I supopose the Spirit makes it clear which of these men were in the right.

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Quahom1 said:
That's interesting. Neither do Muslims or Jews believe. And to them Jesus isn't God either, just a man.
I agree with you here that Christ is not just a man. He is the Son of God. The Son cannot also be the Father unless we were to say that it is a mystery. It doesn't say in the Bible that God is a mystery as if he were a mystery we wouldn't be able to come to know a mystery accurately.
 

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tommy said:
I agree with you here that Christ is not just a man. He is the Son of God. The Son cannot also be the Father unless we were to say that it is a mystery. It doesn't say in the Bible that God is a mystery as if he were a mystery we wouldn't be able to come to know a mystery accurately.

I'm a son, a father and a spirit.

Yes, it's a mystery. Deut 29:29 "...the secret things belong unto the Lord our God...".
 

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Ok I would like the JW's to please answer me this...

If you had a child would he not be human?? If our creator the Father.. Jehovah God... had a Son by His Holy Spirit. what would that make Him? a human child??? Or like God? We reproduce what we are ... we dont reproduce another species...

Maybe look at the trinity of God like a family dynamic.. The Father.. the Spirit... The Son.. OR Man... Woman... Child

I dont want a cut and paste answer, mee.. please.
 

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Prober said:
I'm a son, a father and a spirit.

Yes, it's a mystery. Deut 29:29 "...the secret things belong unto the Lord our God...".
Makes me think of John 5:19 "Therefore, in answer, Jesus went on to say to you, The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner". I completely agree that a perfect being cannot come from man but would you agree the two are seperate and distinct beings? This can be pointed to you too Faithfulservant as I do not disagree that the Father would create one like himself.
 

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Prober said:
I'm a son, a father and a spirit.

Yes, it's a mystery. Deut 29:29 "...the secret things belong unto the Lord our God...".


Ah, but YOU wouldn't be YOUR own father and YOUR own son at the same time... but then again, you're not God ;)
 

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Dor said:
WAIT ONE SECOND HERE.
I underlined something you put on here Mee. If Jesus is the first created being, why did they call him Eternal Father? And that is your own quote there.

The title "Eternal Father" refers to the Messianic King’s power and authority to give humans the prospect of eternal life on earth. (John 11:25, 26) The legacy of our first parent, Adam, was death. Jesus, the last Adam, "became a life-giving spirit." (1 Corinthians 15:22, 45; Romans 5:12, 18) Just as Jesus, the Eternal Father, will live forever, so obedient mankind will enjoy the benefits of his fatherhood eternally.—Romans 6:9.
 

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Quahom1 said:
LOL, what "scholars" recognize it to be "spurious"? Who are these "SCHOLARS"? You mean to tell me that men can determine what is correct and what is incorrect in the Bible? Who pray tell, gave them that athority?

Reasoning away things, doesn't make them true or false, only molded to fit the prerequisites of the reasoner.
those scholars who recognize it to be spurious, and it seems that there are plenty around as many translations do not include it.many people are after the pure word of God .
 

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Ok I would like the JW's to please answer me this...

If you had a child would he not be human?? please.
if it was any think else other than human i think i would be one of a kind:)
 

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BlaznFattyz said:
wouldnt that mean you are three people, cuz 1+1+1 does not equal 1 :p-haha

1 of 3 + 1 of 3 + 1 of 3 = 3 of 3, or 1. 1/3 + 1/3 +1/3 = 3/3, not 3/9. 3/3 = 1. ;)
 

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Jesus said............because I have come down from heaven to do, not my will, but the will of him that sent me. John 6;38 so the one who sent Jesus was his father Jehovah.
(John 4:34) Jesus said to them: "My food is for me to do the will of him that sent me and to finish his work............ yes doing the will of Jehovah was the work that Jesus was doing.
(John 5:30) I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative; just as I hear, I judge; and the judgment that I render is righteous, because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me...........yes ,the one who sent Jesus was his father Jehovah. and Jesus was taught by his father Jehovah.
Jesus said to them: "If God were YOUR Father, YOU would love me, for from God I came forth and am here. Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth. John 8;42
(John 3:16) "For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.
(John 5:19) Therefore, in answer, Jesus went on to say to them: "Most truly I say to YOU, The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner.
(Galatians 4:4) But when the full limit of the time arrived, God sent forth his Son, who came to be out of a woman and who came to be under law,..........................Jesus plays a very big part in the out working of Gods purpose for the earth .and we should listen to him , because he was taught by the Almighty Jehovah God PSALM 83;18
(John 8:28) Therefore Jesus said: "When once YOU have lifted up the Son of man, then YOU will know that I am [he], and that I do nothing of my own initiative; but just as the Father taught me I speak these things.
(John 12:49) because I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak...............Yes Jesus certainly was in unity of purpose with his father Jehovah God.he did everything that his father asked of him.​

"It has been accomplished!"
 

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What is false religion?
those that deny jesus is god come in the flesh, resurrected back to god in glory he from the beginning, and try to come to god the father on their own when christ has already come as our lord, god, and saviour.
 
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