Respectful questions on a difficult subject

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  1. Muslimwoman

    Muslimwoman Coexistence insha'Allah

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    wa aleikum salaam

    No idea how I missed your post when I last visited this thread, sorry.

    The above comment was not about the issue of homosexuality, it was about the intolerence being shown to non Muslims on our board. Do you believe we, as Muslims, are taught to name call and insult people to put accross our beliefs? If a Muslim is filled with such anger and hatred is it not better that they read the Quran, to ease their mind, until they learn to control their anger?

    As for my views on homosexuality - Of course I am against it, as instructed by Allah (just look at the story of Lut) but this does not mean that I agree with verbal or physical harrassment or abuse of homosexuals. They must be treated with kindness, tolerence and offered help. A common argument is that "Allah made us this way" but this is simply trying to make Allah responsible for a persons lifestyle choice. If Allah 'made people this way' why would He destroy the people in the story of Lut? The other argument is "it is a test from Allah" and this may be correct but surely the way to 'pass' the test is to say no to sin, not carry on sinning and blame Allah?

    We must accept Allah's instruction in all things:

    Lo! ye come with lust unto men instead of women. Nay, but ye are wanton folk.” (Quran: 7:80-81)

    There are many things in our religion which I believe are man made and are not contained in the Quran but this subject is dealt with in the Quran, so no matter how much we try to avoid the issue it was made haram by Allah. What is important is how we choose to treat people who are confused about their sexuality, it is not for us to 'judge' them or call them names.

    I think one interesting thing to consider is why in Islam we are taught to be modest in dress even with people of the same sex (e.g., when swimming or in our homes). This may seem oppressive and silly to some but surely it is a blessing from our Beloved Prophet (pbuh), as it helps us to avoid such urges.

    Salaam
     
  2. LeoSalinas22

    LeoSalinas22 merely a shadow...

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    hello fellow posters,
    i was reading this thead and it is very interesting. i myself am totally against homosexuality because it is an abomination in God's eyes. but i also agree that we should treat homosexuals with compassion. we are no one to judge them for God will do that on the day of Judgment.
    but as i was reading this thread, a scripture from the bible came up that reminded me about the public affection between two men, namely David and Jonathan. i won't post the scripture on an Islamic board so i will post it on the Abrahamic board since i want point of views from jewish, christian and muslims alike. the thread is right here .
    thanks and God bless you all...
     
  3. kiwimac

    kiwimac God is NOT about Fear

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    Rot and nonsense.
     
  4. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    Feeling moody? :)
    You must be, to bring up this subject again.

    I have just been looking at what's going on in Mali at the moment.
    Everybody in the western world always "points the finger" at Muslims. It always has to be their fault,
    whatever is going on.

    Of course, western colonial Empires have never been responsible for leaving chaos in countries they decide
    to withdraw from. :rolleyes:

    Timbukto in Mali has a very interesting history.

    Timbuktu had long been a destination or stop for merchants from the Middle East and North Africa. It wasn't long before ideas as well as merchandise began passing through the fabled city. Since most if not all these traders were Muslim, the mosque would see visitors constantly. The temple accumulated a wealth of books from throughout the Muslim world becoming not only a center of worship but a center of learning. Books became more valuable than any other commodity in the city, and private libraries sprouted up in the homes of local scholars.

    By the end of Mansa Musa's reign (early 14th century CE), the Sankoré Masjid had been converted into a fully staffed Madrassa (Islamic school or in this case university) with the largest collections of books in Africa since the Library of Alexandria. The level of learning at Timbuktu's Sankoré University was superior to that of many other Islamic centers in the world. The Sankoré Masjid was capable of housing 25,000 students and had one of the largest libraries in the world with between 400,000 and 700,000 manuscripts
    - wiki -


    Why did this happen? This is the root of an enlightened civilization, and not ignorant barbarians.
    People are being fed propaganda. I'm not surprised there is trouble, when the present leaders of the world
    are involved in so much corruption, and often from the wealthy and privileged.
     
  5. RabbiO

    RabbiO הרב יונה בן זכריה

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    Any particular reason you felt the need to respond to a 15 year old post, from a poster who has not been on the board in 13 years, on a thread that’s been dormant for 14 years?
     
  6. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    I can't live my life on victim consciousness and how I have been badly treated by others. The sand runs through the nexus of the hourglass starts to build up on the horus on the other side, and becomes reversed ...
     
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  7. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    I can't spend my life energy directed at others for what they are not or what they should or could be
     

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