God is with form or without form?

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  1. Thomas

    Thomas Well-Known Member

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    Quite. As Eriugena said:
    "We do not know what God is. God Himself does not know what He is because He is not anything. Literally God is not, because He transcends being."

    For Eriugena, creation is a timeless, on-going and always contemporary, event.

    Human nature is an intellectual concept formed eternally in the mind of God, Periphyseon, IV.768b).

    man fails to comprehend his true nature as image of God (imageo dei), because they are distracted by the temporal phenomena (phantasiai) of the world, which snares the intellect in the clouded spatio-temporal realm of sense.

    Through the exercise of the intellect (theoria, intellectus) and divine illumination (theophania), man may attain unification (henosis) with God, and even deification (theosis).

    This idea falls short of the above. God cannot know Himself through all that arises, because all that arises — created essences — are not God.

    Nor is God is not an object of knowledge, even to Himself.

    Furthermore God has no need to know Himself, because God's 'knowing' is one with God's 'being', there is no delineation, no determination, no separation, no distinction, in God. The idea of God 'knowing Himself' infers a finite or contingent nature subject to time and space?
     
  2. LilieKatz

    LilieKatz Interfaith Forums

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    God made everything and God is invisible to people. Yet I don't think it matters what God looks like as long as He loves us.
     
  3. Namaste Jesus

    Namaste Jesus Praise the Lord and Enjoy the Chai

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    We are made in God's own image. Therefore God is the spiritual image of us. However, as Hindu scripture tells us, God can be seen in celestial form, but not with human eyes.
     
  4. mryaso

    mryaso New Member

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    God is a formless consciousness that isnt restricted by our perceptions of formlesness.
     
  5. donnann

    donnann Active Member

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    God has a body just like we do. Human was created in the image of. Anything else is just stupid.
     
  6. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    Ah the my way or the highway approach. Anything else is just stupid. Gotta love that spirit of discussion.
     
  7. A Cup Of Tea

    A Cup Of Tea An ordinary cup of tea

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    Please don't call what other people believe stupid.
     
  8. Gordian Knot

    Gordian Knot Being Deviant IS My Art.

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    If mankind was made in God's image it does follow that he looks like a man. Or a woman.
     
  9. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    Look at greek, roman, norse mythology.... it makes sense when man considers things he considers that a G!d would look similar to him....
     
  10. Thomas

    Thomas Well-Known Member

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    But the Jews were a long way from thinking God was a man like them ... Roman mythology was always borrowed, Greek gave way to philosophy, not sure about the Norse ... and in Christianity its axiomatic that God transcends all forms.
     
  11. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    While I agree Thomas, it appears not all do. Some Jews think differently...and some Christians think that is just stupid.
     
  12. Nick the Pilot

    Nick the Pilot Well-Known Member

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    GK,

    If you are interested in hearing the Theosophical interpretation of "man was made in God's image," let me know.
     
  13. Thomas

    Thomas Well-Known Member

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    Doesn't matter.
     
  14. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    shore!

    lol... no that it doesn't.
     
  15. Nick the Pilot

    Nick the Pilot Well-Known Member

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    GK,

    According to Theosophy, humans consist of several aspects. One aspect is the physical body and another aspect is the astral body. It is said we also have something called the mental body. There are other aspects that exist at a higher level than the astral and mental bodies.

    Humanity was created in stages. First the higher aspects were created, and our mental bodies, astral bodies, and physical bodies were created later, and at separate times.

    The "made in God's image" idea refers only to the creation of our astral bodies. When the time came to create our astral bodies, "God" took part of "His" astral body and used it to create more astral material, which was then used to form our astral bodies. In this way our astral bodies are said to be literal images of "God's" astral body.

    This also explains the mystery of how mankind was created twice, once on Genesis day six, and again in the story of Adam and Eve. Genesis day six is the story of the creation of mankind's higher aspects, mental bodies, and astral bodies. The story of Adam and Eve is only the story of the creation of our physical bodies. The story of Adam and Eve is the story of snakes chasing fruit, an obvious sexual reference, and this is a reference to the first time our higher, astral, and mental aspects were connected to physical bodies, which allowed us to have things such as sexual activity for the first time.
     
  16. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    Similar philosophy in Unity Metaphysics....

    Gen1 (the first creation) was of the mind (law of mind action, thoughts in mind appear in kind)

    Gen2 (the second creation, different order of creation) was in earth, made manifest.


    G!d thought it, it happenned....what happens isn't always the same as the thought as new thoughts and input occurred in the interim.

    This is the blueprint for our creation....everything we see around us was first a thought, the keyboard, the monitor, the mouse, the remote, the chair, the desk....someone thought about what was, thought about an improvement and did the work to make manifest...

    Creation. Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Divine Mind, Thought, Existence First Cause, Second Cause, Result
     
  17. Nick the Pilot

    Nick the Pilot Well-Known Member

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    Wil,

    I am glad to hear that Unity Metaphysics agrees with what I think happened. Does Unity Metaphysics address the discrepancy between the Genesis day six human creation story and the Adam and Eve human creation story? Or does it say that the second is merely a repeating, a rewording, a refrasing of the first, a "different order of creation"?
     
  18. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    As far as I understand it the discrepancy is what is original thought and manifested result.

    Plan versus reality as they saw it.

    for me the discrepancy is the Yahwists vs the Elohists, the Jerursalem bible vs the Bethlehem bible both wanted their version of the story in the book, after folding on a number of issues and finding common ground to complete the Pentateuch the last two holdouts were creation and the flood...so both stories were included to satisfy each contingent and move forward.
     
  19. taijasi

    taijasi Gnōthi seauton

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    To add to Nick's commentary on Theosophical teaching ... consider that physical mankind is said to have an origin on this planet of ~18 million years ago. At that point, there was only one gender, and the Bible specifies this: `male-and-female He created them.' One can find this illustrated or depicted quite plainly in Sumerian or Babylonian reliefs.

    The proportions of the first physical beings were enormous in comparison with today's dimensions. I have never figured out if 20 feet was a more reasonable figure, or if it's actually something like 200 feet. However, the occult records suggest that before the Taliban exploded the statues at Bamiyan, we could gain an indication from them ... of Humanity's original proportions. The statues were apparently of Buddhas, but this is explained as being only the repair work of later caretakers, as the Atlanteans would have been those who originally built such statues ... hundreds of thousands of years ago, presumably. Those who rebuilt these statues understandably impressed them with their own styles, such as the drooping ears of the Buddha, etc.

    At any rate, prior to 18 million years ago, Humanity did exist on planet Earth, but our evolution was taking place in the astral plane, as Nick mentions ... and in the etheric portions of the physical plane, invisible to normal sight. It was a momentous occasion when physical incarnation was finally made possible, and I seem to recall that this took something like 3 million years (from 21-18 million years ago) to accomplish!

    Anyone who wishes to learn further about the `creating of astral and physical man in the image of the Divine' may wish to also investigate the Greek term Augoeides. There is scant information on Wikipedia, with a couple of links elsewhere ... but I have never been able to find much written on this subject, and instead have always sought to intuit its proper meaning. The word itself seems to mean "luminous body" ...

    I am adding something from the Encyclopedic Theosophical Glossary of G. de Purucker to help clarify where I get my figures for the statues that were destroyed in Afghanistan:
    Bamian, Statues of ​
    Five colossal statues representing the height of the early human races, cut in rock by initiates of the late fourth and the fifth root-races to preserve for posterity a physical record of the height of the early races, located near Bamian (Bamiyan or Bamian), a small town in Afghanistan. The largest statue, 173 feet high, represents the first ethereal root-race of mankind. The next statue, 120 feet tall, represents the sweat-born or second root-race. The third statue, 60 feet high, immortalizes the third rootrace. The fourth, representing the fourth root-race or Atlanteans, is 27 feet high. The fifth statue is only a little larger than the average tall man of today, and represents our present fifth root-race (cf SD 2:337-40).
    So you see, when the Biblical account references giants, they really weren't kidding. They would have been cyclopean. Later, much more recent testimony includes that of the bed of such-and-such a king ... which is suggestive, but far short of the figures above, from an even earlier epoch. Specifically, Og was the last of the Rephaim [giants] ... and his bed was 9 cubits by 4 cubits ... which is 13.5' x 6'. etc. etc.
     
  20. Nick the Pilot

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    Wil,

    You have a fascinating theory. How far back in history does the Yahwists vs Elohists discrepancy go?
     

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