JW's, Sccientologists, Moonies.. when does a cult become a religion?

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  1. 17th Angel

    17th Angel לבעוט את התחת ולקחת שמות

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    Would you consider yourself meek Mee?

    Also, if you DO consider yourself meek.... Wouldn't that be seen as an act that you are putting on?

    Sorry, this all sounds like a freaking fairy tail.... Where the bully get's his and the nerds and rejects of the school become heroes..... That is bs... lol It don't work like that, life is the most unfair thing I have ever experienced... And none, none.. Deserve what you are hoping is going to happen.... Obviously that would be death to all. ANYWAY! I am going way off my point that I want to make... So, mee.... You a meek person?
     
  2. greymare

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    i no Im not meek. I love myself too much to be meek.
     
  3. 17th Angel

    17th Angel לבעוט את התחת ולקחת שמות

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    tis a trick question... There is no way you can self judge yourself as meek, because you then are clearly not. In my eyes that is....
     
  4. mee

    mee Interfaith Forums

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    would you not agree that it would be nice to live in a world with no more wicked around? and i think it is a case of what God says is wicked not what our version might be . and the same goes for meekness. so again the bible is the place to find out what is wicked and what is meek in Gods eyes .
    The good news is that we can have complete confidence that Jehovah will end wickedness. God’s qualities make it certain that he will take action against the wicked. Jehovah is righteous and just. At Psalm 33:5, his Word tells us: “He is a lover of righteousness and justice.” Another psalm says: “Anyone loving violence [Jehovah’s] soul certainly hates.” (Psalm 11:5) Surely, Jehovah, the all-powerful God, who loves righteousness and justice, will not forever tolerate what he hates.


    Has God abandoned the earth? Does he care what men say or do? Is he concerned in earth’s affairs or its destiny? Many today say he does not really care, that he does not see the evil, that he will not act to halt it. Does the Bible agree with this view? Do the facts fit it? Does God no longer care for man? Or is it man that no longer cares for God?
     
  5. 17th Angel

    17th Angel לבעוט את התחת ולקחת שמות

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    lmao, mee... I got 20 bucks that says you work in the advertising industry... Your like a walking plug....
     
  6. greymare

    greymare New Member

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    make it afifty....
     
  7. mee

    mee Interfaith Forums

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    work in progress , but having the right attitude will work wonders . putting ourselves inline with Gods ways is a good step in the right direction . but as you say Jehovah and Jesus christ are the ones to make the judgment as to if we are sheep or goats . a sheep is meek a goat is rebellious
    attitude ,attitude attitude that word also means a lot .
    take Jesus as an example, he never allowed the negative attitude of others to influence his own fine attitude toward serving God; neither should we.
     
  8. mee

    mee Interfaith Forums

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    you seem to be right there , i am advertising the following

    And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite; Daniel 2;44

    And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come. matthew 24;14


    and guess what ,it is a good walk that i am taking part in because i am not alone there is a great crowd of others also advertising the same thing and it is GLOBAL revelation 7;9-10 and this walk keeps me very healthy indeed. thats because i am taking in the right spiritual food matthew 24;45-47 and it keeps me going .:)
     
  9. mee

    mee Interfaith Forums

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    what does it mean to be meek? It has been said that a meek person is a teachable one.

    but meekness includes far more than that.
    and as Jesus said ,“Learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, so i would say i am a work in progress

    gentle or mild of temper; self-controlled and gentle; not easily provoked or irritated; forbearing under injury or annoyance. yes i would say that i am a work in progress . but doing our best to be those things is an ongoing walk .
     
  10. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    Seems to me it isn't the Cult members that isolate but the teachings of the cult that isolate. I've known many a Witness in my life, and as I contemplate and recall, each and every one had an estranged relationship with one or more of their family members due to the fact that they verbalized like you post. Whether other family members were Baptist, Lutheran, Atheist Buddhist or Agnostic, the constant berating for being wrong, constant quoting of scripture and indication that they were pagans for participating in Halloween, Easter or Christmas celebrations created riffs that kept folks from wanting to visit, go to dinner, cousins seeing each other etc.

    If you have a great relationship with all your kin and co workers you'd be the first for me to know that didn't have issues. Frankly I strive not to be judgmental or prejudice, but I've learned here when I see your posts/responses to wait for a few more as I already know what I am going to read if yours is the first, and I do need a more varied diet.

    lol, I imagine there are many who see my name and think the same.
     
  11. Saltmeister

    Saltmeister The Dangerous Dinner

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    Hey what did I say? I said there were two meanings of the word "cult.":) The neutral meaning: all religions are cults. The negative meaning: a religion involving mind control. I was referring to the negative meaning when I started talking about enforced conformity.

    Who says I'm not allowed to be flexible in how I use my mind? These guys are trying to define and monopolise my own faith. Yeah call me a rebel. Call me an anarchist.:D You shouldn't be listening to those guys. I think they're starting to exert too control over your spiritual life. You can't let them possess you. You're one of God's creations. A child of God. Don't give your soul to that . . . organisation.

    Be on your guard. The Establishment has eyes and ears everywhere. Anyone you meet could secretly be one of those people. Remember that your soul belongs to God and God alone. Keep your hands clean of the Establishment.

    Once again, by the neutral meaning, all religions are cults.

    But . . . if we use the negative meaning, your "religion" doesn't go far enough.

    Moreover, according to Bob's definition, your "movement" isn't even a religion yet. You need to die first. Kill yourself now if you want to have a legacy.:D You need to become a legend like Jesus. Then convince people (by resurrecting, or even faking your death) . . . that somehow . . . you're still alive!!!!:eek::D Back from the dead.

    Why your movement doesn't go far enough to be a cult (negative meaning):

    1) No mind control. I don't feel controlled by you. You need to find ways to pound us into submission so we will do your will and bidding.

    2) You need to indoctrinate us. What cause do we live for? How do we increase our power? What are our daily tasks? What are the reasons why we do things the way we do? Corporate values?

    3) Slogans. Get a list of these. This will get us thinking we're doing this for a real purpose.

    4) The Enemy. Who are we fighting? What's the conspiracy? How can we defeat the enemy? By arms?

    5) Tools and Resources. Where do we get the power we need to knock down the enemy? Hard.

    6) Philosophy. What makes us the smart, resourceful guys? We've gotta get wise and cunning. If we must deceive, so be it. Choose the lesser of two evils. We have to be vindictive and use guile because it's not the same as lying. We're actually doing it for a purpose. Deception and guile. Mwhahahahaha (supposed to be a textual expression of an evil laugh).

    7) Propaganda. Are we succeeding? Making progress? How do we assess our own performance? How do we improve? Why are we succeeding? Who is holding us back? Scapegoat? Who to blame?

    8) Build your Army. Human beings are tools and instruments to be used. Get them where you can find them. Seek out your acolytes. What weapons do we use?

    9) Conformity. Crucial element. You need to convince us that the world depends on our success -- that we have to stay true to what we believe.

    10) Code of Honour. Why are we better than everyone else? Lol. :D:D:D:D

    11) It's something worth dying for.

    Start writing your first manual now. Entitled . . . What's going to happen on November 17.
     
  12. 17th Angel

    17th Angel לבעוט את התחת ולקחת שמות

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    I knows! I just cannot see it meaning anything else negative, positive, neutral... I still see it just saying religion.... :\


    It is a religion thank you very much!!!! christ died ;\ went up to heaven... uhm blah blah blah.... They get upset aboot how life is going... Down here.... And send a messenger... Me...

    Nov 17th is when this started we have 17 years from that day on to prepare...
     
  13. mee

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    you are quite right to say that the teachings of the bible and sticking to bible teachings does make other people in opposition to those teachings that is why Jehovahs witnesses have great opposition. but did not Jesus himself say that would happen . so it is no big surprise to his followers. i have family members who are not witnesses and we do get along nicely, the only reason i am talking about the kingdom so much on this forum is because it is a religious forum , and it gives me the chance to talk about something that is close to my heart. Are people saying that i should not speak about my beliefs on a religious forum :confused: i talk about the promises in the bible , that is not telling people they are wrong they have to make their own choices as to what is right and what is wrong . maybe it is the truth of the bible that concerns some people ,but thats not my fault. bible prophecy is now well along and Gods timetable is getting ever closer . i would say that now is not the time to dismiss bible prophecy. but many who call themselves christians do just that.
     
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    We would rather hear from you than just echoes of what others have told you.
     
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    what the bible teaches me is what i am all about :)


    What does Jehovah teach those who are willing to be taught by him? First of all: “I am Jehovah. That is my name.” Also that “Jehovah is in truth God. He is the living God and the King to time indefinite.” Jehovah further teaches us what his purposes are. His transcendent purpose regarding himself is to vindicate his name by clearing it of reproach, so “that people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”—Isa. 42:8; Jer. 10:10; Ps. 83:18. ..........yes that is what i am all about i am taught by the most high:)
     
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    That's what we thought, sigh... You are Borg, I will not be assimilated.
     
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    at least hes not a darlek
     
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    17th Angel לבעוט את התחת ולקחת שמות

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    I am seriously going to make this "movement" I will plug it in various places and give you feed back on it... After about a month or two I will disband it and let the people know that I was just jackassing around..... I have made a few more posters gonna place them over the net here and there.. This is my fave....

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    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    Why, why disband it? You got to other choices, stay tongue in cheek like pastafarians and roll with it. Or go serious and create the L. Ron 17th phenomena.
     
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    17th Angel לבעוט את התחת ולקחת שמות

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    I can't go too serious lol.... I said at the start that one of the many tests is to cast away all your material possessions and come and live on my family estate farm and live off the land! I don't have the balls to do that lol........

    Also I'd have to change this my main advert.... I am bringing the message that the world is to end... And we shall live on the Planet Jupiter... Well.. When it gets to the time I said it would all end and happen... If it doesn't I'll have to make a suicide pack with the group lol or turn around and say... You know guys.... Funny story, gonna love it... The past ten years... I have been bullshitting you all the way.....

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