JW's, Sccientologists, Moonies.. when does a cult become a religion?

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  1. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    duh, to salient pints you missed in the start your own religion manual brah

    1. THEY cast away their possessions to YOU, the church and THEY live off the land whilst YOU and yours drive Bentleys

    2. When the date comes you change the rules, deny, or reinterpret, and oust anyone who claims you did.
     
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    Besides history, the Bible contains an abundance of wise sayings and counsel. but then it would because it is from God .
    the message is that of Jehovah God.

    By means of his spirit, Jehovah God also saw to it that what was recorded suited his purpose, providing essential instruction for those desiring to be and to remain his approved servants.

    All the things that were written aforetime were written for our instruction, that through our endurance and through the comfort from the Scriptures we might have hope.” (Rom. 15:4)
     
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    1. Oh aye, But I still live on the estate with them, they need the messages that god has passed upon me. Also I need to teach them of the right way to live.... And I am to be the 'lead' in our rituals...

    2. lol, your suggesting that I whack my members off? It is meant to be of love ;\ Here is a few of the rules/tests... lol.

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    youve put a lot of thought int;o this 17th. what will you really do with all y;our disciples. you know, you will have them,
     
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    You do not see any.... "connections" in this?...... *insert smirk*

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    lol! *covers his avartar....*
     
  7. Francis king

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    a cult will never be a religion... lets forget about the etymology(?) of the words for a moment, let's think about positive and negative...

    a religion, whether u agree with it or not, does ppl, as individuals, and as societies, some good. If it does not, then it is a cult.

    there are a few key cult behaviours, and if an organisation you are involved in behaves in these ways then you might be in a cult.

    look for these signs:

    "extreme institutionalisation"- batch living/group living, being given new names, wearing standard "uniforms", oppressive/contricting/unusual rules and regulations, the enforcement of such resulting in severe/unusual punishments, members fear being excommunicated/thrown out of community as they no longer have possessions or a social network to fall back on...

    "guru worship"- members behave differently around guru, members believe in the infalliability of guru, members report feeling different around guru, members tolerate guru even when guru belittles/patronises/uses aggression/behaves inappropriately with women/children/other participants, members believe in the infalliability of their guru's doctrine/insights, etc, to the exclusion of what is the general consensus concerning such matters,

    "social isolation"- members are encouraged to socialise soley with other members, members are advised not to participate in their usual "normal" hobbies and pursuits, members are encouraged to behave inappropriately/in ways at odds with their class/cultural backgrounds, members are encouraged to actively recruit other members, members are not encouraged to visit doctors/health professionals and instead rely on alternative treatments/practises, members are encouraged to marry/reproduce soley with members of the group, members are not encouraged to manage their own finances, members are not encouraged to acquire/maintain their own material possessions,

    "mind control"- all the above, plus: sleep deprivation, insufficient nutrients/unusual diets, intense periods of prayer or meditation which members cannot be excused from even if ill or troubled, periods of prayer or meditation or study which are unscheduled and regularly last for longer than 24 hours...

    ..unfortunately, many "religious" organisations behave in this way, and some cults do not.

    but... to bring things back to your title... by my reckoning, the JW's are a cult... they practise some features of "social isolation"- but they're not giving ppl Kool-Aid and phenylbarbitone, like Jim Jones did in Guyana. But, well, being involved with them might kill you, inadvertently...scientologists- they score quite highly, although u won't die u will become light of pocket... the moonies also score quite highly, yet the worst u might suffer here is being laughed at and being forced into marrying a very ugly partner...

    my local catholic church has none of these things! result! I can come and go as I please, nobody really minds, I am free to drink beer, smoke ****, and still be acceptable in the eyes of God. Sure, they want me to put some bread in the bread bag every week, but its only loose change, it's not like they want me to go flirty fishing for jeebus and charge... because there's so many of us (sure I'm a buddhist, but once a catholic always a catholic...ha!) we don't mind if you want to be in the gang or not- there's plenty of catholics to go round, and one more, one less, no big deal. There's not a big push to buy catholic music, or catholic books, and jesus don't mind if u listen to gangsta rap so long as you give a coat to the man without and give ur seat up for the old 'uns on the bus...

    cults: hard work, no reward.. real spirituality: no work, big rewards.. I know what I'd choose..
     
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    Lmao...soz for skimnming and being slow :eek:
     
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    OMG!!! I love your mind!! Not just here....but so often... post more!!! :)
     
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    well mee, maybe that it not your experience, and I am glad of that...
     
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    i like to put the other side across rather than always hearing from x Jehovahs witnesses. i think that is the problem, people listen to the opposers more than those who are happy being witnesses . and it is the opposers that influence others to have wrong thoughts about Jehovahs witnesses.
     
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    All JW's i have had occasion to meet have approached my threshold with only the best of intentions. But it is not the intention that offends me. Indeed i find that noble and courageous given the hostility shown toward your religion. What offends me is not the intention...but the message. I dislike the bible as a mindset, even more so the perversion of the bible the JW's use. I do not not have wrong thoughts about JW's. rather they are arrogant to assume i have not considered their logic. But they are not taught nor prepared for logic....so I feel pity. And pity, like charity, is not always welcome. Sometimes lifes journey feels so short and fast.....with JW's it is long and tedious. Thats my best way to describe my pity for all those captured by such an implausible fiction.

    Tao
     
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    yes i agree with that one , that is very true indeed . love of God and neighbour is what it is all about.
     
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    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    I've got a co worker, raised Catholic, his wife is Episcopalian, he was married Episcopalian, his kid baptized Episcopalian. His parents, brothers and sisters are on him at every family reunion about getting married in the eyes of G!d instead of living in sin, and getting his kid salvation by christening in a Catholic church and getting him into catechism. They are concerned for his soul. All pretty scary to me.
     
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    You liar! Stone him!
     
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    jesus did like a bevvy, though, it says so in the bible... I can't imagine he was a glutton though, unless he was feasting on the bread of life..
     

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