bananabrain
awkward squadnik
this is the very *definition* of bias. you have mustered no neutrality at all that i can see. i don't know why i bother discussing this sort of thing with you when you are clearly determined to be as one-sided as you can possibly manage.Tao_Equus said:I am biased!! I think not. In fact I think I make my case with about as much neutrality as I can muster. Rather I am outraged that Israel continues to be allowed to get away with what it has been doing.
to continue your analogy in terms you might recognise, the guy with superficial cuts had a shotgun. the other one had a penknife. the guy with the shotgun told the penknife guy to leave him alone. the penknife guy says: "do your worst, bring it on!" and attacks him again and again and again and again and again, intending to stab him in the neck, in the eye, in the throat, in the groin, until the guy with the shotgun, who first tried to fend him off, then to hit him with it, provoked beyond endurance and fearing for his own life if he does not respond, takes drastic action to stop the threat to him. of course, you are free to take the perspective of the paramedic, but you're certainly not seeing the big picture. of course you can respond that perhaps the shotgun guy was trying to steal the penknife guy's car, or something like that, but my point is that your perspective is utterly slanted. you're not interested in anything but the amount of blood spilled. in that you are displaying exactly the attitude i would expect from someone who gets his information from the media and has no stake in the proceedings.However, to create an analogy, if you are a paramedic arriving at the scene of an accident do you treat the guy with superficial cuts or do your treat the one with his leg blown off and an artery spewing blood ?
so now the israelis are lying about the number of rockets? i hardly think they could fake it. this is more evidence of your bias - your unwillingness to believe anything but the very worst of the israelis.This works out as there being 1 Israeli killed for every 538 rockets fired. Is it me or does such a statistic seem like a crock? We know the death toll is accurate but can we really believe that only 1 in 538 gets a kill?
he fact is these rockets (apart from the ones delivered by the iranians) are not effective. however, firing them indiscriminately at residential areas will certainly have the effect of continued intimidation whilst failing to prevent retaliation, especially if, as in the case of sderot and ashkelon, civilian life is being disrupted.
yet again you show your ignorance with how the israelis see the outside world. look up my comments on the "oom schmoom" mentality. the israelis aren't terribly concerned with international sympathy - they already think the whole world's against them and that they'll never get a fair hearing and your comments do your bit to add to that.Or can we say with confidence that Israel is over egging the pudding in regard to playing the international sympathy game?
oh, well if the *guardian* says it, it must be right. how about:Well again we have statistical discrepancies, The Guardian reported it as 10's of 1000s 'advised' to use air raid shelters.
"over 300,000 fled their homes (Israel MFA, 23 August 2006; Brookings, 15 August 2006, p.2)"
"In addition, up to one million either stayed in bomb shelters, hid at home or alternated between the two (Brookings, 15 August 2006)."
IDMC : Internal Displacement Monitoring Centre | Countries | Israel | Multiple patterns of internal displacement affect several ethnic and religious groups
but no, *obviously* the israelis are lying. you sound like the sort of people who bleat about "western propaganda" when they hear about human rights abuses under the taleban.
ah, the "fascist israeli state", yes, really, not even a bit of bias there, that "fascist state" which has multi-party democracy, multi-ethnic political representation, a free press and all the other things they don't have elsewhere in the middle east. gosh, tao, i'm impressed with all the neutrality you're mustering there.This is the response meted out by the fascist Israeli state for Hizbullah carrying out the kind of operation the Israeli's carry out every few hours.
nice rhetorical flourish there, why don't you just start using the word "zionazi", that'll really add the polish to your neutrality.Final border... surely you mean "Final Solution"!!!
yes, i do. nonetheless, i regret her death, as i do of anyone undeserving of it. however, she didn't exactly act in a sensible or safe way and, in a way, it's hardly surprisingAnd you can tell me, do you think [rachel corrie] showed a political bias?
, even without malice aforethought.
like the basic human rights of the israelis not to be bombed, blown up, rocketed, stabbed and so on? tell me, are your cuddly hamasniks interested in human rights, or are they more interested in teaching children to hate jews using ripped-off cuddly disney characters?Again its "solution". I dont want to see an Israeli/American final solution... I want to see Justice! I want to see basic human rights respected.
you're really showing your true colours here, tao - you don't want a "solution"? you just want to see the "baddies" punished and you want to see the americans get what's coming to them. no wonder the palestinians have got nowhere if you're the sort of friend that they have; no, you'd rather see them held up as a bloodstained museum exhibit to the crimes of israel and america, rather than as real, living, warm, passionate human beings. you have no concept of the people you are defending or attacking - this is an abstract conflict for you of good and evil. i am talking about human beings here, i'm talking about making things work, i'm talking about moving forward from this tragic situation. people like you do nothing to help and everything to keep it as it is. you are a grandstanding, flag-waving, ignorant bigot - and you're letting your prejudices blind you to the real situation of the parties who are actually living with this every day.Every single Palestinian death at Israeli hands is intentional.
Israel Defense Forces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaIt is Israeli policy to have absolutely no regard for the basic conventions of war and even less respect for the right to life of ANY Palestinian.
whatever. i don't think you've ever met an israeli in your life, much less known people who serve in the army. i wonder if you even know any palestinians, like normal ones, not professional grievance holders?
three million?? that's nearly 2/3 of israel's population! if you're talking about over the "green line" (i.e. the west bank) that can't actually be correct; not even a million israelis live in the west bank. i think you're being bamboozled by the phrase "palestinian land" - you see, according to the sort of people you're probably getting your stats from, even tel aviv is "palestinian land". according to hamas, every israeli is a "settler" or an "immigrant". and are you suggesting that the future palestinian state should be judenrein, then?Any and all land settled by the 3 million immigrants that have been settled on Palestinian land since 1968.
i'm not diverting the truth, nor am i denying palestinian suffering. but where are the *medical experiments*, here, tao? where are the *ovens*? where are the *gas chambers*? where is the *extermination policy"? you clearly have absolutely no conception of what the "final solution" concentration camps actually were. this is typical of your sort of mealy-mouthed equivocation. this cheap moral equivalence you toss about as if the *verified premeditated murder* of 6,000,000 people was something the israelis are contemplating, let alone carrying out. this sort of statement disgusts me and reveals your total lack of proportion and complete ignorance of history, the "shoah" and the reality of the israeli/palestinian conflict. however, any twisting of the arguments will serve your shallow, cheap little goal to paint the israelis as nazis. truly, both sides are better off without your kind of "friends" and "help" - and the same goes for those stupid evangelical so-called "christian zionists".But I will remind you of one tiny thing I do, I do not let you get away with trying to divert the truth away from who is really suffering here. Gaza is a concentration camp.
b'shalom
bananabrain