Introspection on the decline of morality.

There were a couple of posts recently about adultery not being criminalized and someone mentioned conservatives or something. It just made me start thinking.

I love older movies because they feel different when watching them and one of my favorites is Yours, Mine and Ours it stars Henry Fonda and Lucille Ball. I just re watched this yesterday. It struck me that this family sat down to dinner and prayed to the Father and ended in Jesus name. When did this stop being acceptable in Hollywood to portray a Christian family and be a wholesome story about family values? I grew up watching Little House on the Prairie with the same story of a family show portraying a Christian family teaching moral lessons and family values.

I personally feel and I know many others that do as well attribute the current violence the troubled youth and corruption to the removal of God from our government and schools. Removing the ten commandments and disallowing prayer in schools has not helped but hurt. The rise of pornography which I blame for the acceptance of things like adultery are harmful to people. They may be a personal choice but it negatively affects the injured spouse and the children. We have single parent families and nasty divorces and children being brought up by the schools and not by the parents. These injured children are the next generations of people to run our governments and raise the next generation of people.

I am the last generation to have experienced both sides of the spectrum and am very worried as I see the rapid decline. It seems to me we aren’t progressing but regressing. I do not see it turning around.

This post was all over the place.

My sons school would not allow the kids gather to have a time of prayer before school even started.

He attended an assembly where he was a minority white male in a predominantly Hispanic population. The Hispanic principal told the students about white privilege and how these students needed to work harder to get as much as white men get automatically. My 15 year old son sitting in this assembly felt guilty and ashamed. I was pissed. My son graduated on the honor roll and *** laude as a white male with mostly Hispanic teachers in a senior class of kids that either didn’t pass requirements or barely qualified for graduation. Is it because he was a white male or because he worked hard? I attribute it to a number of things . He grew up in a two parent household. He had a faith in God that taught him all the moral lessons like hard work and respect for people. He was in Boy Scouts that also taught essential moral lessons about hard work and respect for people.

I am not saying that Christianity is the only faith that teaches hard work and respect for people as any religious observation has been removed from the schools. I am only speaking for my situation.

This is a concerted attack on the family unit and children are the true victims and it’s spiritual from the enemy.

Faithfulservant  May 29, 2023

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Clear teaching by Jesus

I know that most of you here don’t believe the Bible to be God’s Word to mankind, or believe that it is but we can’t trust it.  These verses should explain why Christians believe as they do.  Thoughts?

John 17:1–10 (NASB95): 1 Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You,

 2 even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life.

 3 “This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

 4 “I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do.

 5 “Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

 6 “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You gave Me out of the world; they were Yours and You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.

 7 “Now they have come to know that everything You have given Me is from You;

 8 for the words which You gave Me I have given to them; and they received them and truly understood that I came forth from You, and they believed that You sent Me.

 9 “I ask on their behalf; I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those whom You have given Me; for they are Yours;

 10 and all things that are Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine; and I have been glorified in them.

Thinking required 22/05/2023

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Your belief

In listening to people talk about their religion, how well do you think people know what they believe to be factual and true? I find that most people who believe in a religion only believe in what they believe because that is what they have been told or either grew up in that religious household and that is what they were taught as kids. Any thoughts?

Thinking required May 18, 2023

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What happens when God enters a life

Titus 3:3–8 (NASB95): For we also once were foolish ourselves, disobedient, deceived, enslaved to various lusts and pleasures, spending our life in malice and envy, hateful, hating one another.
4 But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared,
5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
6 whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
8 This is a trustworthy statement; and concerning these things I want you to speak confidently, so that those who have believed God will be careful to engage in good deeds. These things are good and profitable for men.

Thinking required May 21, 2023

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The Wilderness

A rather important part of the Bible story that relates to Christians, but relates more to Judaism, is the story of the Wilderness and the cusp where Israel came out of the desert into the Promised Land.

Anybody with American TV has seen the old Charleton Heston movie, which for the medium is a good telling of the story. There is more nuance in the Book.

Ark of the Covenant

Joshua

Moses never left the desert, he walked up a mountain and was not seen again as I recall the story. I want to say there is oral tradition his body was retrieved and proper ceremony rendered.

Jericho

My movie is coming on in 5 minutes, back later…

discuss?

juantoo3 21/05/2023

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Exclusive Bible

There is a lot of conversation when it comes to Bibles, or I should say Books from God. Jews have Books, Christians have Books, Muslims have a Book, Mormons have a Book and Jehovah Witnesses have a Book. Each of the Books claim exclusivity. Would God make give us a Book that was for only one group of people, meaning it the book is written in Spanish, could only the Spanish speaking people understand it.? I am not sure how many on this site have research translation of language or used interpreters. The reason I ask, is that I am once again reading the Quran and the flow of the English translation is terrible. I have been to that the Arabic reading is beautiful.

Since I don’t understand Arabic, then I don’t know what to think. Some of the Bible was also written in poetry form (I am assuming that the Quran was written that away, maybe for the ease of learning and reciting it, as I have also been told that the Quran was not to be written, but recited only. It never came into a book form until after the death of Muhammad. Anyway, All language is translational and can retain meaning in the translation. Sometimes not the exact thrust of the word or language but close enough so that it can be understood. The Hebrew texts of the Bible were translated @300BC into Greek. In the time of Jesus, I have read where many people spoke 3 languages.

This is not even uncommon in Europe today, at least two languages. The Christians letters were mostly written in Greek as that was the more common language of the day in that area. If translation is possible and God is concerned with all people, why limit a written text to just one group of people who speak one language. I say this to say that I have been told, a person has to read the Arabic Quran to understand it. Even though so much of it is just about stories and information that already exist in the Jewish Scriptures.

Thinking required 21/05/2023

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Did Most Early Christians Believe The Divinity of Christ?

@Thomas @muhammad_isa @juantoo3 @Tone Bristow-Stagg others …
At risk of repetition, and trying to start with a clean slate:

This is spin-off from recent threads about the Arian movement and the Nicean Council, trying to focus in upon the central issue, which seems to be whether or not Christian belief in the divinity of Christ the Son, was already THE mainstream belief amongst early Christians, long before the ‘trinity’ as most today understand it, was officially rubber-stamped at Nicea?

Prior to Nicea, did most early Christians accept the divinity of the Son? Or did they not?

Was the belief in the divinity of the Son already mainstream with early Christians, before the Nicea Council in AD 325? Or was Rome responsible for basically imposing upon early Christians a belief in the divinity of Christ?

RJM Mar 16, 2021

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