Allowing child molesters in church?

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I am the youngest in my family... Poor widdle me... Heh, Yes, In honesty I would be nervous that he may not take my offer of forgivness and chance serious and take advantage, but I would want to give him the benefit of the doubt... I would want him to have that second chance and If he crossed me, then shame on him.... I'd take him down. :) But then try..... AGAIN.
 
yes, but were are his angelic armies when lil kids are snatched out of their beds..?
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i thought it was one, and was called the destroyer in Exodus 12:23?

a cruel God, he must be, to deliberately allow such innocents to suffer..
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i thought He did it to prove a point to the egyptians?

I'm just glad my God isn't like that...
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i don't know what you would mean about that because God is the same in the past, today, and the future. just a thought. i don't want to offend. sorry if i do.
 
17th I dont know you well at all....
But I think you only posted that to be devils advocate....(who 17th!!! never!!! :p ). The nature of those perverts is that they never stop. Anyone willingingly letting their children near them is complicit in their abuse.
 
I would like to say that I would forgive, and I could offer forgiveness and I could forgive. But that would never, ever, lead me to forget what someone is capable off. And if that makes me ungodly or horrible in any way, I will feel fine about that knowing that my children are safe.

I believe that protecting our children is our responsibilty as people. There is no way that I would leave that up to any "god." And my husband would take matters into his own hands and if I were to spend eternity in Hell because I protected a child, I will do so gladly.
 
Miss Amy said:
I would like to say that I would forgive, and I could offer forgiveness and I could forgive. But that would never, ever, lead me to forget what someone is capable off. And if that makes me ungodly or horrible in any way, I will feel fine about that knowing that my children are safe.

I believe that protecting our children is our responsibilty as people. There is no way that I would leave that up to any "god." And my husband would take matters into his own hands and if I were to spend eternity in Hell because I protected a child, I will do so gladly.
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Thats because you and I are in totally different places. Thats ok though. I dont think any less of you. :)
 
I still don't understand... I am trying to but it seems so black and white to me.

Don't let these people around children and keep them out of harms way.

I am really trying to wrap my head arround this...
 
I dont know how else to explain it.. :(

Only thing I can say is that your and I speak very different languages.
The language you speak is of the world and the language I speak is of the Spirit.

I used to think like that too.. I used to think It was all up to me that I couldnt count on anyone else that if I didnt do everything just so.. than everything would fall apart. I had to control everything

I had myself on the throne.

Now I know that I have someone I can count on.. that He knew me before He formed me in my mothers womb.. He knows the number of hairs on my head.. that nothing absolutely nothing is by chance.. and He is ALWAYS with me. God controls EVERYTHING.

Gods now on the throne.

I know true peace. A peace that surpasses all understanding.
 
Thank you for clarifying however, I think that you have me wrong. I do not feel that I cannot count on anyone and I do not need to control everything.

However, I cannot get away from the responsibilty I have to keep children safe. That is up to me because God does not have or choose to step in an protect him yourself. To be honest, I have faith I do not bow to a god. And I am of both spirit and the world.

I have read the bible, while it is not my thing I remember in there that it was not just about forgivness but there is also consequence. If we are speaking of spirit, then "Thou shalt not kill" fits perfectly because a child who is molested suffers, part of them dies and they are not always able to come back from that hurt.
 
You talk like that so flippantly.. I know what your "thing" is.

It amazes me.. you just hurt me so bad you brought tears to my eyes.. My heart aches for you. My heart aches for Jesus who you hate so much.

My bible says this

You cant serve two masters.. you serve God or you serve the world.. you cant be of both and you cant walk in both.
 
I don't understand how my post can have caused you so much upset that was not my intention.

It is not flippant that I refer to Christianity as my "thing." I do not agree with those ideas in my life. I have my own code that I stick to strongly. And I don't serve a master and have never pretended to.

I came to this from a place of curiosity. I am very interested and curious about many ideas. I had a friend once who was so devoutly Chrisitian that she would pray for my salvation from my evil beliefs (buddhism) and I just get hackled when I feel that energy. I don't need a God to tell me what to do. And I cannot trust without reservation.

I do not "Hate" Jesus. Hate is not something that I am capable of. Even the child molester, the debate that started this thread, is not someone I hate. I feel compassion for what brought a person there. It is just that I wouldn't be able to believe without reservation that they wouldn't hurt my child... therefore I would not choose for them to be near.
 
All I see are contradictions..

You say you dont hate

but you speak like there is no redemption

My heart weeps because God became flesh and walked this earth to live as a man to die as a man.. God died brutally so you could have the choice of Him or Buddhism and you chose Buddhism. Thats why.

The bible also says that the fervent prayers of a righteous man/woman avials much. :)
 
Now.. thats being flippant and not worthy of an answer.

Miss Amy seriously the bible says that one day every knee shall bow... what if you're wrong?? What if its all true and you face Him what could you possibly say to Him?? Dont you ever think about it?? Eternity is a long long time.

Isaiah 45:23
have sworn by Myself; The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, And shall not return, That to Me every knee shall bow, Every tongue shall take an oath.

Romans 14:11
For it is written: "As I live, says the Lord, Every knee shall bow to Me, And "every tongue shall confess to God."

Php 2:10
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth,

What if its true when He said:

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. "
 
I guess I can't say much more than that I will deal with that when I get there. By beliefs don't include but they also don't condemn and persons own belief in Jesus.

I can feel compassion and I can hope that I child molester finds their path. Just not around my children or the children that I work with.

But I want to know one other thing. Do you read this website to have insite into other peoples beliefs and to learn with an open mind or is it to change minds that you are here? My questions and respnses are anything but flippant, I try to see both sides and I keep my beliefs about your faith close in respect for you.

I have found the greatest amount of peace and understanding through Buddhism, however, I will not allow it to blind me to other things that are happening around me.

And like I said earlier, If I end up in front of your God I will ask him why he has made so many innocent people suffer. And I will gladly take my punishment, but in my belief system that is not going to happen.
 
Ive been posting here a long time. I cant get much more "insight" into what others believe.. lol but yes it started that way.. learning about other faiths.. with the singular reasoning of learning how to witness to others....somewhere down the road it did so much more in helping me become more confident in my own that it has been a blessing.. I have since then made many friends and fallen deeper in love with my now husband .. (we basically courted while on this forum.)

Im not going to lie. My Lord Jesus Christ has commissioned me and others of my faith to take up our crosses and follow Him and that means spreading the gospel. Thats first and foremost why I talk to anyone on this website or off.

Just because Im telling you what the Truth of Jesus Christ is doesnt mean I dont respect you and where your life has brought you.. Please understand that to me Im trying to save your life. To you Im being intolerant. See the difference? To me this is life or death and what kind of person who lives for Christ..being love..would I be to callously let someone perish. So I follow the rules of this forum... I speak my thoughts.. I engage in respectful discourse and I will ALWAYs give scripture because thats the whole of my education in Jesus.

I hope this clears matters up.

I think maybe a reminder is in order that you engaged ME in conversation.. not the other way around.. so I didnt go out of my way to witness to you.. you approached me :)

But thats irrelevant.
 
Yes I did engage you in conversation. I never thought any difference. And I never felt that you were intolerant... just hoping to change my mind ;)

I engaged you becuase I thought what you were saying was interesting and so completely far from what I was saying and, for me, debates from differing minds in both religion and politics is of great interest to me.

I just can't be converted ;)
 
Muslimwoman said:
as salaam aleykum

I just saw on the american news that a church in California will decide this weekend whether to allow a convicted child molester to attend their church.

What do you think?

How would you feel having your children in the same church?

What about forgiveness?

Are there some sins we as humans cannot forgive?

Can people really change?

Salaam
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Forgive? Yes. Forget the past? No chance, especially where childrens' safety and welfare are concerned. Let him in the church? In the back with two ushers at either side, to escort him out once services are concluded.

Is that unreasonable? I doubt it, since the most rational of men would most likely consider killing him for touching his children in the first place. He's lucky society doesn't make him an outcast, outright. (the Autralian aboriginies do that, and within a few weeks, the shunned die from lack of social contact).

There are certain crimes that are considered most heinous...Even Jesus warned us that any who should cause even one of these little ones to stumble, would be better off thrown into the sea with a stone tied around their neck...

Even today's society distinguishes between "statutory rape" and child molestation, the latter being the hardest to deal with (due to the damage to the truly innocent).

v/r

Joshua
 
Tao_Equus said:
17th I dont know you well at all....
But I think you only posted that to be devils advocate....(who 17th!!! never!!! :p ). The nature of those perverts is that they never stop. Anyone willingingly letting their children near them is complicit in their abuse.
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Indeed, I tend to post to mislead/joke/confuse whatever..:D lol But I was being serious... I swear I would forgive him. Nature..... You mentioned that? I would say they are sick... As I said everyone deserves a chance, give some help, encouragment, advice, a shoulder to lean on... And offer your confidence in that person... They can change.... You experienced that? Not sure if you can do something but BAM someone gives you some unreal support, everystep every breath they are there saying "you can do this! You can freaking do this baby!!!" Their confidence helps boost yours... Left alone won't solve your problem specially this type of problem... Locking him away in a prison won't help it will nurture.... And also get the crap beaten out of him alot lol...


Miss Amy said:
I would like to say that I would forgive, and I could offer forgiveness and I could forgive. But that would never, ever, lead me to forget what someone is capable off.
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Why hold on to the obvious? You too are capable of killing, stealing, decieving.... Child molesting.... Whatever.... Name it you are capable of it.... Specially killing. But, why hold on to that? Why look at the bad parts of a human... Try and look at their good points. Heck the majority of you are god lovers... But I still look past that to your good points...... (EDIT: ponders how many will see the light side of that lol....)
 
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