Bible Truths

[mee]

Show me where it says, they will be saved...

here is an interesting verse

Matt. 7:13, 14, RS: "Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few."



for those who enter the wide gate it will lead to destruction

but those who go in the narrow gate and way it will lead to life

 

[juantoo3]

show me scripture where it says the ungodly will not be saved. I can bet you wont find them words in scripture.

How does one prove a negative?

Unicorns don't exist...yeah, well, prove it! Have you ever seen one? No, but that's not proof, because who knows if one day one might show up...lack of proof is not the same as proof of lack. Said another way: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

The Platypus was imaginary once upon a time not long ago, and lo! and behold! the impossible came true...

Scripture is scripture...I've seen many people take the words of the Bible and use them to say many contradictory things.

 

[Quahom1]

WHAT is sharper than any two-edged sword?

A Mach three razor with no "safety bar" on the back. Also a fool's tongue professing the "truth", wherein his life is nothing but a fabrication to begin with.

"True Lies", I think that is a movie, starring the governor of California...

 

[mee]

A Mach three razor with no "safety bar" on the back. Also a fool's tongue professing the "truth", wherein his life is nothing but a fabrication to begin with.

"True Lies", I think that is a movie, starring the governor of California...

mee would rather take on board the bibles words. it is more beneficial and true . the word of God is alive and powerful

 

[wil]

mee would rather take on board the bibles words. it is more beneficial and true . the word of God is alive and powerful

What do you mean by true mee?

Now I believe reading and contemplating the bible stories is powerful and beneficial, and they can come alive. But as historical fact we are continuously finding issues between the text and archeology.

And while I have an understanding that the bible is true as in the stories, parables, allegory contain truth that can be utilized in our lives.

What do you mean by true?

 

[Quahom1]

mee would rather take on board the bibles words. it is more beneficial and true . the word of God is alive and powerful

Well in that case, you should have absolutely no problem accepting Jesus' description of hell as noted in Matthew and Mark. UNLESS, you are stating that those two Gospels are not Biblical but rather "man made" doctrine, which then would totally destroy your build up to the point that the Bible is without error and in fact, absolutely true...

I think you have a slight problem mee... and it is called a "catch 22". Either the Bible is accurate, or the Watch Tower Society doctrine/translation is accurate, but since there is a direct conflict between the two, the two can not be accurate at the same time.

So, mee, which is correct?

 

[winner08]

Hi all,

Before I go on to say why I have made this thread, let me just say ULTIMATELY only God can make one understand, because in all honesty NO ONE understands God. This morning I have prayed, I have prayed for all who do not understand the scriptures, that God will make them see the truth. Believe me I don't fully understand God, I only understand what God has shown me through the scriptures. I do not make judgments on anyone, obviously that is not up to me. But I will show everyone here on this board what I have studied in the scriptures as it hurts me when someone is mislead. Feel free to dispute with me...

The term "Eternal life" is unscriptual in the Bible. The New Testament was originally written in Greek. "Eternal life" in it's proper wording is "Eonian life".

Let me give you passage:

John 3:36

"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."

This indeed is a mistake. Highlight John 3:36 and go to Bible gateway. Now, most Bibles will give "the above quote" or replace "Eternal" with "everlasting". Now, "everlasting" is a contradiction in itself... If it is "EVER" (forever) then how can it be "LASTING" (to last). But how ever some Bibles (in Bible gateway) have to proper meaning for example let me show you what the same passage says in Young's Literal translation:

"he who is believing in the Son, hath life age-during; and he who is not believing the Son, shall not see life, but the wrath of God doth remain upon him."

"Eonian life" is life for the eons or life for the ages. However long the eons or ages are, that's how long eonian or age-abiding life is. Then what?

Here's why unlearned theologians say this is not possible, because after the ages or eons, we would all die. NOT TRUE!

Let me illustrate. Suppose your company is going to buy you and everyone in your company an all-expense paid trip to Europe for one month. EVERYBODY gets that trip. However, because you are such a fabulous worker and such a asset to the company, your boss is going to send you on a trip to Europe for three whole weeks BEFORE everyone else goes on their trip. This is a SPECIAL, BONUS trip. Not many get to go on THIS particular bonus trip, only a few.

Now then, you get to go THREE WEEKS earlier than the rest. When they arrive, you have already been their enjoying yourself for THREE WEEKS. So when the others arrive to begin their vacation, does your vacation END? No. Only your "three week" vacation ends. But you CONTINUE to vacation in Europe just as long as the rest.Your hotel reservation is not cancelled after three weeks.

That is not a perfect illustration, but maybe you get the point. "Aionion" or "Age-lasting life" is a SPECIAL gift from God that only a relatively FEW ever receive. It is LIFE in God's Kingdom BEFORE the masses are brought into God's Kingdom. What allows those who are given "eonian life" to continue living even AFTER the eons are past, is not the promise from God of "eternal life" but rather "IMMORTALITY."

All of God's children will be given IMMORTALITY and INCORRUPTION, so that they will NEVER DIE. However, those who are given immortality before the rest, receive it ages or eons IN ADVANCE of the rest.

Can you now understand it? If not, let me know and I'll try and explain it a different way.

I will post more later...

Thank you Jesus for your wisdom on the correct translations. I truly mean this. I get upset when people think they are learning the truth but they are not. They will fight you tooth and nail thinking that they are right on something when they are not. I don't blame them or judge them because they don't have a clue about certain translation. It's not their fault, it is the false teacher who's at fault. I called it man made doctrins. Man made teachings. Generation after generation just blindly following, not questioning their teachers. There is a very big difference in forever and ever or for all enternity and the correct translation eonian or ages. You are blessed by the Lord in understanding His truths. Thank you again for shareing this information people must know the correct translations.


Darren

 

[Netti-Netti]

I called it man made doctrins. Man made teachings. Generation after generation just blindly following, not questioning their teachers.

That's always a problem. Another problem that's not specific to teachers is people's tendency to read meanings into a text that are not supported by the actual text.
http://www.interfaith.org/forum/what-is-a-soul-9359-8.html#post161242

 

[winner08]

Got a better one for ya. Show me where it says, they will be saved...

Oh, and welcome to Interfaith, Darren

thanks for the warm welcome. you ask for me to show you some scripture where All of mankind will be saved O.K.

1. 1Tim 2:4 God Will have ALL to be saved.

2.JN 12:47 Jesus came to save the WHOLE world.

3. 1 JN.4:42 Jesus is Savior of the WORLD

4. 1 JN 4:14 Jesus is Savior of the WORLD

5. JN. 12:32 Jesus will draw ALL MANKIND unto Himself.

6. 1 cor 15:22 In Adam ALL die, in Christ ALL live.

7. 1 cor. 3:15 ALL saved so as by fire.

8. 2 cor. 5:15 Jesus died for ALL

9. 1 tim. 4:9-11 Jesus is Savior of ALL

I have so many more but these few are rigfht to the point. there's no maby's or ifs about it. Jesus came to save the world. Scripture does not say some or part of the world.

Scripture Says God will save ALL mankind not just the few or just the elect. ALL of mankind.

If you believe what scripture says than there's no question, All will be saved. You just have to believe in what the scripture says. Most people do not believe in what the scriptures says, They put their own spin on it and tell you what the scriptures means to them. It does not work like that, scripture says just what it means. Too many read between the lines. That's where they go wrong. Jesus said if it were not so I would have told you. Scripture interped's itself.

Darren

 

[winner08]

How does one prove a negative?

Unicorns don't exist...yeah, well, prove it! Have you ever seen one? No, but that's not proof, because who knows if one day one might show up...lack of proof is not the same as proof of lack. Said another way: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

The Platypus was imaginary once upon a time not long ago, and lo! and behold! the impossible came true...

Scripture is scripture...I've seen many people take the words of the Bible and use them to say many contradictory things.

I can and just proved All of mankind will be saved with scripture and as you said scripture is scripture. check out what I replied to Quahom1. Now you prove with scripture that all will not be save. Just 2 give me 2 scriptures that says this and I will accept and move on.

Darren

 

[winner08]

very true its good for others to look it up then they will know what the bible REALLY teaches.

the bible is no good to any of us if it is sat on a bookshelf never having been looked at . or up in the attic to gather dust.


WHAT is sharper than any two-edged sword?

God’s Word, the Bible,

"For the word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of the soul and spirit, and of the joints and their marrow, and is able to discern the thoughts and intentions of the heart."—Heb. 4:12.


yes the bible is able to discern thoughts and intentions of the heart it has great power

First of all to Quahom1 I probaly read more than you will ever and I don't take anybody's word on anything when it concerns scripture. About the word hell, Hell is translated 3 different times in the bible.

Hades in hebrew
Sheol in greek
and 1 time it is use in 2peter 2:4 as gehenna

If you understood the correct translations you would understand the correct meaning.

As in forever and everlasting. these are not in the original text of the gospels. The gospels were written in Hebrew(old testament) and Greek (New testament)
The correct translation is aion or age if you understand this you would know what you are talking about.

once again thanks for the warm welcome.

Like I said Mee I look up everything. and I have many books on the Bible and many Books on the hebrew and greek languages.

Before putting someone down make sure you know what your talking about.(Quahom1). Mee, you should be carefull who you agree with.Some people don't know.

Darren

 

[mee]

Well in that case, you should have absolutely no problem accepting Jesus' description of hell as noted in Matthew and Mark. quote]
mee has no problem eccepting what Jesus REALLY taught.

correct understanding of the bible leads to understanding indeed.

 

[mee]

I think you have a slight problem mee... quote]

mee has no problem at all ,

 

[winner08]

Quahom1 if you want to know more on the orginial translation of hell in hebrew and greek check our Azure24 from bible truth posted 2-5 08 then maby you will understand. if you chose or not to believe, that's a different story.

Darren

 

[mee]

What do you mean by true mee?

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What do you mean by true?

Gods word is TRUTH



"When you received God’s word, which you heard from us, you accepted it, not as the word of men, but, just as it truthfully is, as the word of God." (1 Thessalonians 2:13)

 

[winner08]

No one is going to Hell...

The word “hell” is found in most modern language Bibles. This was not always so. There are numerous translations, which do not contain the word “hell” even once. Why is this? Furthermore, new translations are dropping the word hell from their versions. Do you know why this is happening?

Here are the words for which "hell" was inserted as a "translation" into English:

The Hebrew wordsheol (31 times)

The Greek wordgehenna (12 times)

The Greek wordhades (10 times)

The Greek word tartarus (1 time)

Listen to what I am about to say very very carefully: If the word "hell" is the most accurate and correct English word available to translate, the Hebrew wordsheol, and the Greek wordsgehenna, hades, and tartartus, then these four words must all have the same meaning. But in reality only two of these four words have the same meaning.

The Hebrew wordsheol and the Greek wordhades are synonymous in meaning.

And here is the proof from the Scriptures and the inspiration of the Holy Spirit that the Hebrewsheol and the Greekhades are identical in meaning:

Acts 2:27: "Because You will not leave My soul in hell [Gk: hades], neither will You suffer your Holy One to see corruption" is quoted from:

Psalm 16:10: "For You will not leave My soul in hell [Heb: sheol]; neither will You suffer your Holy One to see corruption."

I believe the word tartarus is used 1 time and it is 2 peter 2:4 It use as a place of restraint or incarcerated as in a prision where the angles who had sin were cast down to hell (tartarus) and delivered them into chains of darkness to be reserved for judgment.

Thanks for correct translations. Some people just don't understand, through no fault of their own. This is why so many think there's a place called hell where mankind will be burned and tormented forever and ever.
They just don't know. I mean Hell and forever and ever or everlasting and entenity are just but a few word that are poorly translated, therefore they think they know what their talking about and they really don't.
Maby they should look these things up before they speak.

Darren

 

[mee]

Mee, you should be carefull who you agree with.Some people don't know.

Darren

i agree ,there are many who do not know, that is why mee likes to put true knowledge to the fore , Daniel 12;4

but there are also many who do know , but choose to ignore it and even to work in opposition to true knowledge.


and then there are those who do know and love to promote true knowledge .

 

[winner08]

how about these , of cause it is not refering to a litral fire, but everlasting destruction .

in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance upon those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus. These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength, 2 thessalonians1 ;8;9

"Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, . . . but he is patient with you because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance."2 PETER 3:9.





For God’s wrath is being revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who are suppressing the truth in an unrighteous way
romans 1;18


But by the same word the heavens and the earth that are now are stored up for fire and are being reserved to the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men.
2 peter 3;7



"Look! Jehovah came with his holy myriads, to execute judgment against all, and to convict all the ungodly concerning all their ungodly deeds that they did in an ungodly way, and concerning all the shocking things that ungodly sinners spoke against him."—Jude 14, 15.


Those coming to their end will be ungodly.
No harm will come to innocents, unlike what often happens in human wars, where civilian casualties outnumber military ones.
The Great Judge guarantees us that his day will be a destruction of the ungodly.

The lake of fire where the Lord puts the unbelievers is where we will be purged from all of our carnality and come out pure as gold. You heard of the story of the potter and the clay and how the potter has to purge the clay in order to get all the impurities out. This is of course we as the clay and the Lord as the potter. God will uses the fire of the holy Spirit to purge all the junk out of us. You heard of being biptized by fire, there you go. The carnality of man has to be destroyed(lake of fire) in order to be pure (like Christ) so that we may enter the kingdom.

Darren

 

[Quahom1]

First of all to Quahom1 I probaly read more than you will ever and I don't take anybody's word on anything when it concerns scripture. About the word hell, Hell is translated 3 different times in the bible.

Hades in hebrew
Sheol in greek
and 1 time it is use in 2peter 2:4 as gehenna

If you understood the correct translations you would understand the correct meaning.

As in forever and everlasting. these are not in the original text of the gospels. The gospels were written in Hebrew(old testament) and Greek (New testament)
The correct translation is aion or age if you understand this you would know what you are talking about...

...Before putting someone down make sure you know what your talking about.(Quahom1). Mee, you should be carefull who you agree with.Some people don't know.

Darren

Très bien, Darren. Je prendrai en compte cela.

Sin embargo, como usted puede ser que ahora realice, sucedo estudiar lengua… bastante.

Und ich mag Vielzahl, weil sie mir hilft, Leute zu verstehen.

Конечно оттенки можно пропустить от одной культуры к другим, если одна не понимает людей, то которые говорят язык, на этом мы соглашаемся (вы и я).

But I will take what you've said into consideration...

Once again:
Bienvenue
Recepción
Willkommen
Добро пожаловать
Welcome

Q

 

[winner08]

Très bien, Darren. Je prendrai en compte cela.

Sin embargo, como usted puede ser que ahora realice, sucedo estudiar lengua… bastante.

Und ich mag Vielzahl, weil sie mir hilft, Leute zu verstehen.

Конечно оттенки можно пропустить от одной культуры к другим, если одна не понимает людей, то которые говорят язык, на этом мы соглашаемся (вы и я).

But I will take what you've said into consideration...

Once again:
Bienvenue
Recepción
Willkommen
Добро пожаловать
Welcome

Q

Wow that is impressive. God has really blessed you. I hope you give thanks to the Lord for that gift. I really mean it Quahome1. I am not being a smart @%*

Darren

PS I do owe you and apology for being so rude to you. Sometimes I let my ego get in the way. This is something I have to work on. Now this dosn't change my beliefs. I just have to find a different way to express it.

Thanks,

Darren