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The Cree people use 15 poles to make the structure of the tipi. For every pole in that tipi, there is a teaching. So there are 15 teachings that hold up the tipi. Other Nations use 16 poles, and maybe more or less.

The tipi does not have to face east all the time; it can rotate in any direction. It is only the first time that it is requested that the tipi face east, because of the opening ceremony.

To start, we take three poles and bind them together to make a tripod. Each pole also has a very specific meaning.

These three together fortify the structure. They are obedience, respect and humility. Notice the poles, the way they stand. If they stood straight up and down, they couldn’t support a tipi. But balanced properly together, they are able to reinforce each other.
There’s a teaching in that. In order to make a family, you need three: the two parents and the child, to make that balance.

The tops of the poles have many teachings. Each one points in a different direction. We are like those poles. We all need the strength and support of our families and communities, but we accept that we all have different journeys and point in different directions.

The poles also teach us that no matter what version of the Great Spirit we believe in, we still go to the same Creator from those many directions and belief systems; we just have different journeys to get there. And where the poles come out together at the top, it’s like they’re creating a nest. And they also resemble a bird with its wings up when it comes to land, and that’s another teaching: the spirit coming to land, holding its wings up.

We could talk about each of these poles for a long time; each one holds many teachings, and takes a long time and much experience to truly understand. I will give you some words on each pole, to give a beginning idea of what the poles represent.

OBEDIENCE
Obedience means accepting guidance and wisdom from outside of ourselves, using our ears before our mouth. We learn by listening to traditional stories, by listening to our parents or guardians, our fellow students and our teachers. We learn by their behaviors and reminders, so that we know what is right and what is wrong.

RESPECT
Respect means giving honor to our Elders and fellow students, to the strangers that come to visit our community, and to all of life. We must honor the basic rights of all others.

HUMILITY
We are not above or below others in the circle of life. We feel humbled when we understand our relationship with Creation. We are so small compared to the majestic expanse of Creation, just a “strand in the web of life.” Understanding this helps us to respect and value life.

HAPPINESS
After the tripod is up, the fourth pole completes your doorway. This fourth pole teaches us happiness. We must show some enthusiasm to encourage others. Our good actions will make our ancestors happy in the next world. This is how we share happiness.

LOVE
If we are to live in harmony we must accept one another as we are, and accept others who are not in our circle. Love means to be good and kind to one another and to our selves.

FAITH
We must learn to believe and trust others, to believe in a power greater than ourselves, whom we worship and who gives us strength to be a worthy member of the human race. To sustain our spirituality, we need to walk it every day. Not just sometimes, but every day. It’s not just once a week; it’s your life.

KINSHIP
Our family is important to us. This includes our parents, brothers and sisters, who love us and give us roots that tie us to the lifeblood of the earth. It also includes extended family: grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins, and their in-laws and children. They are also our brothers and sisters and give us a sense of belonging to a community.

CLEANLINESS
Today when we talk about cleanliness, most people think hygiene, and that’s very important. But years ago, when old people talked about cleanliness, they meant spiritual cleanliness. When I used to sit with the old Kookums in their tipis, spiritually, they were so powerfully clean. Clean thoughts come from a clean mind and this comes from our spirituality. With a clean mind and sense of peace within we learn not to inflict ills on others. Good health habits also reflect a clean mind.

THANKFULNESS
We learn to give thanks: to always be thankful for the Creator’s bounty, which we are privileged to share with others, and for all the kind things others do for us.

SHARING
We learn to be part of a family and community by helping with the provisions of food and other basic needs. Through the sharing of responsibilities we learn the value of working together and enjoying the fruits of our labor.

STRENGTH
We are not talking about physical strength, but spiritual strength. That was instilled in us when we were young people through fasting. We must learn to be patient in times of trouble and not to complain but to endure and show understanding. We must accept difficulties and tragedies so that we may give others strength to accept their own difficulties and tragedies.

GOOD CHILD REARING
Children are gifts from the Creator. We are responsible for their wellbeing, spiritually, emotionally, physically, and intellectually, since they are blessed with the gift of representing the continuing circle of life, which we perceive to be the Creator’s will.

HOPE
We must look forward to moving toward good things. We need to have a sense that the seeds we are planting will bear fruit for our children, families and communities.

ULTIMATE PROTECTION
This is the ultimate responsibility to achieve the balance and well being of the body, mind, emotions and spirit for the individual, the family, the community and the nation.

CONTROL FLAPS
The control flaps on a tipi teach that we are all connected by relationship and that we depend on each other. Having respect for and understanding this connection creates and controls harmony and balance in the circle of life. When we don’t know how to use the flaps, it gets all smoky inside the tipi, and you can’t see, which is like life – because if we can’t live in balance, we can’t see clearly where we’re going.

CONCLUSION:
For every time that a pole is added, a rope goes around to bind that pole into place. You have to be there and see it to appreciate that teaching. That rope is a sacred bond, binding all the teachings together until they are all connected.
I have shared these teachings with you with the hope that they will help keep the women strong and will help our communities to nurture healthy, balanced people.~
-Mary Lee, Cree
-source: Luther Schultz

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Modalism + Partialism = Trinitarianism?

I’m not letting Trinitarianism beat me into just admitting that it’s impossible, so I’ve come up with a potential explanation for it.

Modalism is the belief that the 3 persons of God are separate states of God, sort of how water is liquid at the bottom of the sea, ice near the surface of the poles, and gaseous vapor in the atmosphere.

Partialism is the belief that the 3 persons of God are each individual parts of the Godhead which, together, make God.

According to Agrippa’s Occult Philosophy, there are layers to our reality, we can call them “planes” although he didn’t use this term. He actually lists four planes; celestial, intelligent, terrestrial, and infernal, corresponding to the realm of archangels, angels, fallen creation, and demons, respectively.

For the sake of comparison, we can just focus on the first three, which are elsewhere seen as the layers of the Trinity. Essentially, we have God the Father associated with the top plane, the Holy Spirit as the intermediary, and God the Son as its manifestation in the terrestrial realm.

If we see “God” as an entity that exists on all 3 levels, we can see each of the 3 persons as corresponding to God’s manifestation in each realm, thus we have a form of Modalism.

However, if each lower plane is merely an imperfect reflection of the higher one, as it is often seen in Platonism, then there really isn’t 3 separate modes of being but 1 Godhead in 3 persons. Jesus, therefore, isn’t just part of God but is wholly God as a reflection of God cast on the mirror of the terrestrial realm.

The only thing that’s really “divided,” then, is the world itself which, in its fallen state, has grown more distant from God. Yet, at the same time, God’s light continues to reflect in this world, making God still technically omnipresent.

I don’t know how well this works but it’s the best explanation of the Trinity that I can come up with. It’s essentially God looking in a three-part mirror.

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Adam and Eve Were the First Reincarnated Humans

I wish to share some discoveries I have made regarding Reincarnation in the Bible. To keep things simple however, I will just focus on the very first Humans to be Reincarnated. They are Adam and Eve.

Of course, the average Christian would scream “BLASPHEMY!” upon hearing this. The reason they do this is because they are ‘told’ not to take certain verses literally.

Here is a perfect example…

Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


Some are told that the word ‘Day’ is literal, as in twenty-four hours or less. The phrase ‘Surely Die’ however, is then changed into something non-literal to hide Reincarnation from the masses. Often it is changed to ‘Spiritually Die’.

Note that there is no such thing as ‘Spiritual Death’ in the Bible. Again, this is a made-up term to hide Reincarnation from the masses.

Some are taught the opposite. They are told that the phrase ‘Surely Die’ is definitely literal, however the word ‘Day’ is then changed to ‘a long period of many years’.

Thus, the Christian is allowed two choices generally…

#1) Day = Literal and Surely Die = Not Literal

or…

#2) Day = Not Literal and Surely Die = Literal

Note that it is perfectly acceptable to choose either ‘Day’, or ‘Surely Die’, as being literal. But! If you choose both ‘Day’ and ‘Surely Die’ as being literal, you will be forever deemed a ‘Heretic’ and ‘Blasphemer’, a ‘Devil’, etc.

This brings us to option #3, which is to simply believe the entire verse is literal without changing anything…

#3) Day = Literal and Surely Die = Literal

And because almost every person that studies the Creation Account never bothers to even consider option #3, they have no idea in the world that an utterly incredible lesson is being taught.

Not only did Adam and his Wife die physically after partaking the Forbidden Fruit, on that very day, but they were also REINCARNATED with new bodies that were different then what they had before.

As astonishing as all of this sounds, it is all there in the original text. Nothing added, nothing changed. No Book of Enoch or outside sources of information has been inserted.

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The Urantia Book

This is an invitation to @Norm and anyone else who’s interested to discuss the Urantia Book.

I know next to nothing about this revelation (I hope this was the appropriate term, happy to be corrected).

To start things off, where does the name “Urantia” come from?

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Delusion

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Thomas said: 

Bearing in mind the above, I’ll get to the nub of my queries …

You’s declared the principles of the RHP a delusion, but the affirmation of subjectivity is risky when it’s evident that the self is the most fallible element in the whole equation?

The sobering message is: Those who do not learn by history are doomed to repeat it.

For me, detachment and discernment are the pre-requisites of the Great Work, without the need of rejecting the world, just a recognition of what it is.

Click to expand…

I have some unique insight on this topic. I was delusional once.

When my psychiatrist was trying a variety of different medications for me and before my current diagnosis was finalized, we looked into whether I suffered from psychotic depression. I didn’t have any of the positive symptoms like delusions or hallucinations, though, only negative ones like apathy, social withdrawal, and reduced affect.

For a few months, I was put on an anti-psychotic. This particular drug had an uncommon side-effect; it could sometimes produce psychosis in those who did not already experience it. That’s exactly what happened to me.

Psychosis is nothing like I thought it would be. In movies, you often see people hallucinate that they’re in completely different places, sometimes switching between places and all of them seeming incredibly real. This is not accurate to my experiences.

For me, psychosis was basically the exact opposite. Real-life started to feel less real. I began to doubt my own memories of past events and whether they were from dreams or not. While I was awake, I wasn’t sure whether I was still dreaming. I would get lost in daydreams and I couldn’t tell whether the daydream was real life or whether reality was real life.

When I “heard voices” it wasn’t like I could hear them audibly. I heard them in my head. I just couldn’t tell that they were imaginary because the sounds I heard “in my ears” also felt imaginary. Sometimes the voices felt even more real than real life.

There was this big problem where I would recognize patterns in things and then creatively think or joke about random explanations for those patterns. For instance, every third step in my school was a different color, probably a design choice. To me, though, that pattern seemed so obviously something else. I thought it might be some sort of occult symbolism used to ward demons away and I was afraid that it would think I was evil and that it would burn me up if I touched it, so I skipped the steps when walking up the stairwells.

At the time, this wasn’t a full-on delusion. I wasn’t really sure if that was true or not. I just didn’t want to risk it. Of course, underneath that was my emotional reasoning; I felt guilty and so I imagined the world was going to punish me. Being psychotic just turned that overwhelming feeling into a paranoid delusion that felt more real to me than real life.

I’m very thankful that I could experience psychosis because I can say for sure now that I’m not psychotic. It isn’t a state of mind that I’m still in. We took me off that medication and I recovered. Unfortunately, for many people, they can’t just be taken off their meds and no longer be psychotic. It’s a constant state for them and they don’t have a non-psychotic state of mind to compare themselves to, making it easy for them to think that they’re normal because, to them, that state of mind is normal.

So I think we should be very careful when we label people who are just stubbornly holding onto beliefs that we think are incorrect “delusional.” Real delusions are very different.

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Guidance

Evening all,

I’m new here, for as long as I can remember I’ve always felt a connection with “God” I know there is something there. I’m quite methodical and like to get things “right” if you like, perhaps that isn’t the best way to put it but I hope you know what I mean.

I’ve always felt extremely conflicted about the correct way to give myself to God or the power I know exists, as of right now I would probably best call myself a Christian, but even then I feel like a lost sheep. I have looked into various different theologies I have also looked into Islam.

I suppose I am just writing this for some guidance, a sign I might read between your replies, something to set my compass and help me navigate my feelings.

Maybe this is the wrong place to come to? But something lead me here.

I look forward to talking to you all and learning more as each day passes

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Cephas!

I have often wondered why Jesus gave Simon BarJonas the name ‘Cephas’.
I have often wondered why so many people have become used to calling him ‘Peter’, a name that neither he nor Jesus heard, imo.

And I’ve often wondered what Jesus did for work along the Capernaum shoreline, before he started his mission.

Thoughts? Ideas?

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Our Society is Sick

I see the deep, black scar on our community.

People unsatisfied with their lot, empty egoists who need to take, take, take.

People running from themselves, seeking nothing but higher highs on an endless hedonic treadmill.

People that can’t be happy because they need to be the best. The richest, the most famous, and then there will always be a bigger fish.

Our society pushes this on people. It creates all of these fake “needs” and tries to sell us that they’re the only way we can find fulfillment and contentment. It rewards the hollowest of us who are willing to sacrifice everything, even their own humanity, for their own selfish greed and hedonism.

Cooperation and sacrifice have become dirty words to people who might be too far gone. All of the compassion in the world might be too little, too late. And we rip each other further apart.

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Symmetry: Derail from Sound and Sacred Geometry

Wil, clean up on aisle three!

I copied some posts from a derail so we may continue here.

BrotherMichaelSky said: 

Since I am always guilty of using the term “vibration” when trying to describe my experiences – i will interject here…
It seems you folks are trying to fit everything about this subject into the descriptions of the very narrow range of audible sound.
I do not think that is going to work.
The reason is this (and please bear with me – I am trying to avoid scientific terms and describe something I experience ) :
If one is to experience vibrations higher ( or lower – for whatever reason ) they will indeed “experience” those sounds using perceptions which are “outside” of the ears…… my entire being vibrates with those frequencies when I explore them – not the bones in my ears….
How do i explain the use of senses you are not even aware you posess? I cannot.

But I CAN tell you that i have worked on boats – I became aware of a phenomenon called Cavitation. When a boat has two props, they must be operated at the same speed or cavitation will occur – an example of the Chaos Theory… the two vibrations will “battle” and all sorts of cross currents and chaos will ensue….

This can be displayed easily in your driveway as well – place a glass of water on the hood of your car… it will vibrate and concentric rings will be seen on the surface of the water as it idles evenly…. rev the engine and the water will splash and thrash until a higher vibration is evenly assumed, where the concentric rings will form again….
the period of thrashing describes the change from one vibration to the other…. a period of chaos….

I believe the asymmetrical frequencies you mention are just these types of frequencies – the contact of two dissimilar vibrations…. portions of reality going through a change….

Symmetry is a message from our Creator. It is representative of Universal Law. It tells us that peace may be had anywhere we exist – if we are aware of our natural state. Furthermore, it assures us that during our moments of Chaos – that peace and rest is to be found at the end of our trials…

Harmony is the result of Symmetry… and it is representative of Perfection – which we are never to forget is our destination ( which is why the examples surround us… )

and to forestall another question – Yes, even asymmetrical vibration is “perfection” – for it leads us in a natural way towards that which is perfect …. one might even say that it is the asymmetrical which is even more beneficial to us at this stage than the symmetrical – it keeps us seeking… one can not relax in chaos….
and do not forget that the physical is where we are confronted by opposites…. and one of those opposites MUST appear “Bad” to us… that’s how the physical works….

I am convinced that vibration will one day be our best road map to the Heavens – i feel the equipment within me to determine vibration in an exact way. I can find the same vibratory “places ” EXACTLY, with no difficulty – in a repeatable way…. and i accept information which directly equates to vibration… which must “lower” itself before i begin to understand….. Life is Movement – of which Vibration is the signature….

seattlegal said: 

Hey, speak for yourself! 

BrotherMichaelSky said: 

well, perhaps I should say ” Relaxing in Chaos has it’s costs…”

seattlegal said: 

Let’s back up a bit here:


Where is the harmony in the symmetry of “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth?” I say “nay,” as hate does not overcome hate.


Oh, you mean like not paying back evil with evil, and such? 


So yes, I can relax in such asymmetry, and balance and harmony can be achevied without symmetry.

We are getting away from sound and sacred geometry here. Maybe we can start another thread?

wil said: 

I look forward to it. (oh and that eye for an eye thing ain’t a minimum, it is a maximum if any penalty at all is imposed)

BrotherMichaelSky said: 

When the Law of Karma is considered, hate is hate’s own destruction…
give hate, and hate is received until the error is noticed…


well, we didn’t actually get to thoroughly link my comment with the topic…. but if you are done….

seattlegal said: 

There is the karma that is the fruit of action, but then there is the karma of intent which affects ones mind. When your mind is overcome with greed, hate, or delusion, you do silly things like killing, lying, stealing, and telling others to do so, which escalates long term suffering. So no, when you apply the law of karma regarding hate, hate does not become its own destruction. Hate actually escalates suffering for everyone, especially if everyone symmetrically plays along.


If you want to start a thread, I’d be happy to continue there. We might even get wil to move these posts there too, if we ask him nicely.

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Was Jesus God or is it just a name of a human being used by our Creator?

According to this passage found in the Bible, it appears the answer Jesus gave to the Jews shows that he isn’t God, the Lord and Savior that Christians believe in.

John 7
13: Yet for fear of the Jews no one spoke openly of him.
14: About the middle of the feast Jesus went up into the temple and taught.
15: The Jews marveled at it, saying, “How is it that this man has learning, when he has never studied?”
16: So Jesus answered them, “My teaching is not mine, but his who sent me;
17: if any man’s will is to do his will, he shall know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority.
18: He who speaks on his own authority seeks his own glory; but he who seeks the glory of him who sent him is true, and in him there is no falsehood.

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